We were US 25 Garrosh and US 117 ilvl at the time.
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Getting only 1 whirl in P3 makes it sooo much easier.
I'm sort of wondering what point everyone here is trying to make, besides players comparing epeen sizes... (and this is a genuine question, I fell a few pages behind on it, and now can't really see what opinions people are defending).
I think it's obvious that any attempt to "rank" besides a simple "Guild X killed it #1, Guild Y killed it #2, etc." is just a total folly.
Not really. On my realm we have 2 guilds who burn out vs us in the first 2 weeks and then inevitably fall behind as their newer raiders get disgruntled and can't handle the pressure.
It's a slow realm though. On any other realm we'd get stomped but on a tier with...9+ Bosses and a reasonably high difficulty curve, we usually come out better for it. Play the long game son. Cater for your raiders. Results will vary but it's worked out good for us long term.
That wasn't me saying that it was a gear check, that was me saying that it was a scumbag check. Our issue wasn't gear, it was people aoeing adds and stuff like that when it wasn't needed for the sake of having higher DPS. I think you read someone elses post and think its mine...In no way were we ever stonewalled by gear during our progression and in no way was a few ilvl going to make a difference (higher or lower). You need to go back and reread my post rather than claiming I am contradicting myself.
Wow.. I usually just look at the beginning and the ends of these threads,
but now I took the last 15-20 minutes reading every page and there are some cool people with really in depth knowledge about the game.
Phase 3 was also extremely easy, we got 4 whirlings several times but it did not really matter much. The by far hardest parts of the fight for us was reaching the dps checks in P1 and P2. Even after we had reached P3 and P4 we could still wipe in P1 and P2 due to people getting bad RNG or messing up. We had quite a bit of wiping in Jade Serpent aswell, but that is probably because we had a different goal than most guilds doing Garrosh nowadays.
Once our item level went up to 568, we were feeling like we were overgearing the encounter a bit. It made the P1 dps check trivial, or maybe it was just all the wipes we had in P1. The P2 dps checks was still a bit tough though and required a lot of focus from everyone.
Find it quite funny that you think 572 is "low gear" for Garrosh.
But that is the difference when you overgear and dont overgear the encounter. The by far hardest parts of the fights for us was figuring out how to deal with the dps checks in P1 and P2, and why to me I also realise what an amazing feat Paragon did.
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Also funny when a 25 man guild talk about Garrosh. Sorry to say, but your experiences are totally irrelevant for 10 mans. It would be like a 10 man guild commenting on 25 man Klaxxi. The fights are fundamentally different, and every aspect of 25 Garrosh is easier than 10 Garrosh.
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I am so tired of seeing terrible people, being admired, for being terrible people.
A patchwerk encounter is an encounter where you stand there and attack a target until it dies. The most patchwerk-type fight this tier is IJ or Malkorok hands down. Sure, you are 10man and therefore you are going to have less gear and less warforged items but to try and complain that 10man is infinitely harder than 25man is ridiculous (as always - and it goes both ways). You experience is totally irrelevant for 25mans so stop trying to start shit. This isn't about 10 or 25man encounters, this is about a specific encounter that you are claiming to be patchwerk when in reality it is the LEAST patchwerk type fight of the entire tier with the exception of maybe Spoils.
119 25man guilds 14/14H
111 10man guilds 14/14H
I would hardly consider 25man "Easy" compared to 10man if there are only 8 more guilds that have cleared it.
I don't really get the patchwerk argument either. In the end almost every super highly tuned end raid boss is patchwerk like, because you're always trying to strip encounters down to the bare essentials. Ultimately the only thing after a couple hundred wipes that hinders guilds is going to be DPS checks, all of which require taking risks or bringing less healers.
I don't think anybody would think of Heroic Ragnaros as 'patchwerk' but there were lots of times during that encounter where only DPS mattered.
The intermissions on Garrosh are anything but patchwerk like, and at least the first one requires a fair amount of planning going in. There are plenty of things you react to, MCs are random and weapons post second intermission aren't always going to be in ideal places because of where they land during empowered whirling.
Patchwerk to me, at least his incarnation this tier is Malkrook for sure.
You're jerking yourself off a little too much dude.
Then again, Paragons is a joke on 10 man when comparing to the 25 man version and Siegecrafter is largely dependent on raid comp.
God I cannot wait till mythic so every thread doesnt have to turn into 10v25.
Paragon being one of the hardest fight in 25 man, you can obviously say it's not balanced, and Garrosh is obviously harder because you can't cheese some mechanics and everybody has to be perfect.
So far 10 man need almost perfect raid comp to be done, granted we didn't adapt our strats much, which is an issue.