View Poll Results: Should gamers be treated as pro athletes?

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  1. #241
    Quote Originally Posted by OmniSkribe View Post
    Nope. Because 260 pound 13 y/o kids have to be called athletes.
    lol..... It mostly water weight!

  2. #242
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doozerjun View Post
    I think the context is completely different.
    I'm with you. I don't think pro-athlete should be the correct terminology, they should be treated the same way as professional chess players. Not athletes.
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    Not AS pro athletes, but on the same level as pro athletes.

  4. #244
    Quote Originally Posted by Seegtease View Post
    Why not? Care to elaborate as to why we should give great glory to a bunch of sweaty dudes smashing each other but not to guys competing in a non-physical game of reaction, planning, and dexterity?
    The question is whether gamers should be considered athletes, not whether they should be given "great glory".

    I'm gonna go with no...they're not athletes

    The term "e-sports" annoys me. (Unless you're literally talking about a sports game like madden or something, then I guess that would technically be an "e-sport")
    Last edited by Jhaalu; 2013-12-28 at 02:36 AM.

  5. #245
    They should make a worldwide poll for this.... imagine all the laughs

  6. #246
    Quote Originally Posted by Jhaalu View Post
    The question is whether gamers should be considered athletes, not whether they should be given "great glory".
    It's actually not. It's whether or not they should be treated as athletes, not called athletes.

    I don't see how this is so ambiguous to people. If I made a thread saying "should women be treated as men" there wouldn't be a bunch of posts saying "that's stupid why would you call them men? They are women."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seegtease View Post
    It's actually not. It's whether or not they should be treated as athletes, not called athletes.

    I don't see how this is so ambiguous to people. If I made a thread saying "should women be treated as men" there wouldn't be a bunch of posts saying "that's stupid why would you call them men? They are women."
    I see your point but either way whether it's treating them as an athlete or calling them an athlete, I think it's equally retarded to even have athlete and gamer in the same sentence. An athlete is someone who does physical exercises like sports, running, weightlifting, and every other activity that goes on in the Olympics, those are athletes and therefore of course they should be treated as athletes. What do these professional gamers do that is so physical? Pushing buttons with their thumbs? Yelling at each other? Playing video games or chess for that matter has nothing to do with athleticism. And before someone says I'm some huge sports jockey, no I'm not I'm hardly at all interested in sports and I play video games 99% of the time that I have free time.

    And while I'm at it I just want to say that e-sports is the most stupidest thing that was eve made into existence. To me, it's just an excuse to call playing video games competitively a sport. When I hear the word sports I automatically think physical activities such as football or baseball or hell even bowling or golf, not someone sitting in a chair playing a computer game.
    Last edited by Geminiwolf; 2013-12-28 at 02:55 PM.
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  8. #248
    Yay, now on our 13th page of people who:

    1) Can't comprehend the thread title.

    2) Still think that telling us the definition of "athlete" is helpful.

    Yay internet.

    Edit: And the next two posts are truly high quality.
    Last edited by Bovinity Divinity; 2013-12-28 at 04:30 PM.

  9. #249
    the main definition for athlete is "a person who is proficient in sports and other forms of physical exercise." so by that definition, not at all. it is entirely possible though to be a professional gamer and a competitor, so i'd say you can be a professional gamer and a fierce competitor, but you're not a professional athlete.

  10. #250
    Haha what the fuck,you cant compare real sports to a fucking pc games.

  11. #251
    He shouldn't be called an athlete but as the thread asks should he be treated as one I think yes. Pro gamers do have to do a lot of training to stay on top of their games in the same way athletes do. They also spend time studying the competition. It does require skill, mental agility and dedication to become a pro gamer and this should be recognized.

    As for the guy in the linked article, I think he deserves his visa, the terminology of the visa just needs to be updated to include professional gamers and not just call them athletes.

  12. #252
    Quote Originally Posted by Geminiwolf View Post
    I see your point but either way whether it's treating them as an athlete or calling them an athlete, I think it's equally retarded to even have athlete and gamer in the same sentence. An athlete is someone who does physical exercises like sports, running, weightlifting, and every other activity that goes on in the Olympics, those are athletes and therefore of course they should be treated as athletes. What do these professional gamers do that is so physical? Pushing buttons with their thumbs? Yelling at each other? Playing video games or chess for that matter has nothing to do with athleticism. And before someone says I'm some huge sports jockey, no I'm not I'm hardly at all interested in sports and I play video games 99% of the time that I have free time.
    Being physical is absolutely irrelevant. Professional sports is an entertainment industry that just happens to be physical. Golf is the same way, and that's barely physical. Even if less popular, why shouldn't professional gaming be given the same treatment as professional sports? The end result is simply entertainment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seegtease View Post
    Being physical is absolutely irrelevant. Professional sports is an entertainment industry that just happens to be physical. Golf is the same way, and that's barely physical. Even if less popular, why shouldn't professional gaming be given the same treatment as professional sports? The end result is simply entertainment.
    A dictionary says otherwise and if a dictionary is not enough to say that playing video games professionally is not enough to be classified as an "athletic sport" then I don't know what else to say. I have no question about them being treated as professionals but being treated as athletes? No. It's a hell of a lot more work to become a professional athlete in sports compared to being a professional gamer. You have to keep in shape which requires them to be eating the right way, exercising for hours on a daily basis which would include stuff like running and weightlifting and all kinds of other forms of exercises for at least most of the week, and practice drills. There's probably even more shit they have to do that I don't even know about. I couldn't see professional gamers doing any more than practicing the game that they are about to play for hours and hours with a case of Monster Energy drinks beside them. This is why they don't treat professional gamers as athletes like they do with REAL athletes or why they shouldn't. At least this is why I think so. There's no doubt though that their gaming skills are impressive but going as far as treating them as an athlete?

    Yes it's all entertainment but it's what they have to do to entertain you. As I said before athletes have all this work they have to do to stay in shape so that they can keep on playing and entertaining you. And while entertaining you they sometimes unfortunately injure themselves (often times a really bad injury) resulting in them having to go to their doctor which a lot of times their doctor will tell them to go through surgery. As for professional gaming all they have to do is be really good at a video game no matter what shape they are in so there's not a whole lot of work that was done to become the professionals that they are other than playing a certain game for hours and hours.

    This is why I dislike this generation of gamers because more and more they are trying to put video games in the spotlight with everyone else and trying to make playing video games a cool and hip thing because of stupid crap like this. The whole mentality of "just because we play video games doesn't mean we shouldn't be treated equally to that of a football player or a celebrity". Just stop. As gamers we shouldn't even care about shit like this. If you're a hardcore competitive gamer then enter in a public game tournament that has a cash prize or something. Video games used to just be something people did in their spare time or what kids would play. Now it has to be a sport and the gamers think they should be treated as athletes just because they play professionally.
    Last edited by Geminiwolf; 2013-12-28 at 09:25 PM.
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  14. #254
    Gamers are not athletes

  15. #255
    Quote Originally Posted by Geminiwolf View Post
    A dictionary says otherwise and if a dictionary is not enough to say that playing video games professionally is not enough to be classified as an "athletic sport" then I don't know what else to say. I have no question about them being treated as professionals but being treated as athletes? No. It's a hell of a lot more work to become a professional athlete in sports compared to being a professional gamer. You have to keep in shape which requires them to be eating the right way, exercising for hours on a daily basis which would include stuff like running and weightlifting and all kinds of other forms of exercises for at least most of the week, and practice drills. There's probably even more shit they have to do that I don't even know about. I couldn't see professional gamers doing any more than practicing the game that they are about to play for hours and hours with a case of Monster Energy drinks beside them. This is why they don't treat professional gamers as athletes like they do with REAL athletes or why they shouldn't. At least this is why I think so. There's no doubt though that their gaming skills are impressive but going as far as treating them as an athlete?
    Why is this hard to get? I'm not saying they should be classified as an athletic sport, I'm saying they should get the same treatment. And if you think professional gamers just show up with a case of energy drinks, you know absolutely nothing about the professional game industry.

    This is why I dislike this generation of gamers because more and more they are trying to put video games in the spotlight with everyone else and trying to make playing video games a cool and hip thing because of stupid crap like this. The whole mentality of "just because we play video games doesn't mean we shouldn't be treated equally to that of a football player or a celebrity". Just stop. As gamers we shouldn't even care about shit like this. If you're a hardcore competitive gamer then enter in a public game tournament that has a cash prize or something. Video games used to just be something people did in their spare time or what kids would play. Now it has to be a sport and the gamers think they should be treated as athletes just because they play professionally.
    You do realize that professional sports that we have today once didn't exist. As you said, they "used to just be something people did in their spare time." American football, for example, was only popular as far as college. After that, it was just a hobby. But they pushed for professional football, and now look how big it is. If it's okay to turn the hobby of football into professional entertainment, why is it not okay to turn the hobby of gaming into professional entertainment? Times change. They did then, and they will continue to do so, and your non-progressive thinking won't stop it.

  16. #256
    Pro is fine and well earned with thousands of hours of practice going in. athlete, just no.

  17. #257
    Quote Originally Posted by Jhaalu View Post
    The question is whether gamers should be considered athletes, not whether they should be given "great glory".
    No that is not the question, at all. No one is considering these gamers as athletes. Frankly, no one seems to be reading the thread title or OP either.

    Please read the thread and understand that this is a question as to whether a professional gamer should be treated as professional athletes or not. The big factors coming into mind are Visas, sponsors and salaries.

    Frankly people can complain all they want on the notion, but the gamers will get paid if they get enough of an audience. Plain and simple.

  18. #258
    Quote Originally Posted by Demsi View Post
    Gamers are not athletes
    athlete - a person trained to compete in sports (the more basic and universal definition i got from a quick google)

    if something is accepted as a sport of intellect, stamina, or dexterity, then those that train to compete in it, are by definition 'athletes'.

    and i think once substantial competitions and prize money enters play, its acceptable to call it a sport.

    and those that make their living solely off it, professional athletes.

  19. #259
    Sports are just games.

    Jocks=gamers.

    Gamer stereotype=nerd.

    Jocks=nerds.

    Universe implodes.

  20. #260
    Quote Originally Posted by Telomerase View Post
    Sports are just games.

    Jocks=gamers.

    Gamer stereotype=nerd.

    Jocks=nerds.

    Universe implodes.
    You know, this brings up an interesting point. With Jocks being regarded as dumb, why are they given more praise for what they do? Even though in ancient times it was the other way around, but victory in war and development as a nation/culture is now entirely the result of brains, not brawn. The Brains of the world are what make our lives easier, safer, cleaner, and find ways to make sure we actually continue to exist as a race. Brawn... smash things. It's obsoleted by technology (sorry guy, but you can't compete with heavy machinery, and guns require little strength to use).

    And yet as a society we still want to act like the greatest people are those with physical prowess, and treat the ones with higher mental capacities like losers. Somehow, somebody who competes in games of brawn is superior to someone who competes in games of brains.

    Who is using a more commendable, useful skill for today's society?

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