View Poll Results: Do you read up / watch videos on the new raid fights before you attempt them?

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  1. #61
    nope.

    my raid leaders would always explain everything beforehand anyway and written tactics always seemed to make everything look so complicated (when in reality most fights were really simple, just a matter of practice).

    videos were totally useless for me: no in-game sounds + stupid song on top + custom UIs = fuck this.

    that was for vanilla/tbc anyway, when i was doing real raiding. for flex SoO, i did check icy-veins for some bosses for those mechanics that are not in LFR.
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  2. #62
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    I used to out of respect for my raid members. I didn't want to be the one to mess up. Not anymore. It's LFR or Flex Oqueue, neither of which is real raiding and we never so much as need vent for those.

  3. #63
    Quote Originally Posted by joeyray View Post
    nope.

    my raid leaders would always explain everything beforehand anyway and written tactics always seemed to make everything look so complicated (when in reality most fights were really simple, just a matter of practice).
    If written texts seem too complicated, you're doing it wrong. The key is to reduce every fight down to the 1-2 abilities that are of actual interest to your role. I'm a melee, I don't care if healers have to dispell X or ranges have to group hug in AE somewhere?

  4. #64
    Quote Originally Posted by joeyray View Post
    custom UIs = fuck this.
    Yeah, I hate to watch videos with someone using custom UI. Most of the time they look like a mess and only really readable for the guy who made it.

    My guildies hate my blizzard ui evangelism though. Last time I told them how you don't have to configure keybindings on the basic UI because they are server side; the guy who had just deleted his WTF folder to get into the game at all was clearly slightly pissed.

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    i always watch a video or two beforehand and try to do a little background research for class-specific nuances.

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  6. #66
    I never did before i got RL.
    Before that i just ignored it all, including what my RL told and went cold in. Found that more fun, and still do.
    I made a habit of telling as little as possible. Just "don't stand in fire, except this fire", for the first time so people have a chance to see it on their own.
    After that i can tell what i know about the fight, but i think it's part of the interesting thing with raiding. Seeing a new boss and find out how he works.
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    Yes,kind of hard to progress anything without knowledge of the mechanics

  8. #68
    Quote Originally Posted by Jaylock View Post
    I think your attitude is toxic, and I highly doubt you read every fight / watch videos on every fight before going into them, especially if you said you fail and not know what to do going in.
    Toxic? What is toxic about wanting to learn by doing? Don't get me wrong, I say that before I get invited and I do adjust to other people. Usually the raid fails now and then even though people have read up tactics, so i usually catch up anyway. I also ask if something is unclear. I'm sorry but I don't understand the "toxic" part.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jaylock View Post
    If people took time to ACTUALLY LEARN the fights. Study them. Watch the videos / read the strats (ya know, understand each and every one of the boss' abilities and know how it affects the raid) you would not fail so hard, and look like an idiot when attempting for the first time.
    Indeed quite obvious but nonetheless true. However, one can still fail, even after reading up. So I guess you can only look a bit less dumb when doing it :P

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    ..groups expecting to be carried.
    Agree with that part, I dislike people wanting to be carried. However, I do like people who want experience, different sides though!
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    For LFR, I briefly glance at online strats to get an idea of what the bosses do, but that's about it.

    I haven't raided seriously (as in, with a guild and doing normal/heroic modes) since Cataclysm, but I'd always take the time to watch YouTube videos and read detailed strats on bosses back then. I never went to a new boss fight without having some understanding of how the fight worked.
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  10. #70
    Quote Originally Posted by Ronduwil View Post
    That's not smart. That's lazy and self-entitled. They are obviously not playing the game for a challenge, but for loot. If you want to cheat by spoiling the fights ahead of time by all means do so. No one's going to stop you. Don't, however, disparage others because they actually want to play the game and challenge themselves. They are not "unwilling to be smart." They just want to experience the game and figure out the fights for themselves without having to conform to someone else's script. Just because you'd rather paint by numbers doesn't make the guy who is painting free-form less talented than you.
    "Playing the game, and wanting a challenge" is wasting 24 other people's time, especially when the majority of the raid members have already read up and understand the fight conceptually and their role in the fight.

    Its just plain rude, lazy, and entitled to expect to be carried / explained through a fight. Not to mention you being dead for the first 5 attempts and then going "oh my bad I had my head in my ass and didn't know what to do.

    REAL raiders expect that people take some self responsibility to learn before they go into the fights. I guess not real "raiders" who are LFR heroes can get away with being unprepared and blindly walk into the fights because of herpa derp determination.
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  11. #71
    during progression i almost never read up on fights.

    i just went in, died, read combat logs, adjust buff/debuff filters, played like a boss by attempt number 3.

    also, the benefits of everyone learning at the same time are wonderful. fuck pugging.

    Quote Originally Posted by Warlord Booty View Post
    I used to out of respect for my raid members. I didn't want to be the one to mess up. Not anymore. It's LFR or Flex Oqueue, neither of which is real raiding and we never so much as need vent for those.
    yeah pretty much this. i don't even use timers anymore. i find handling mechanics on the fly much more interesting, especially when there's no consequence to fucking up on easy mode.
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    Yes, of course. Ever since classic I have done so.

    I still fear my good old raidleader will show up on my door or something, asking me to explain the fight to the rest. He would always ask someone random to do just that, and it worked with making sure people did read up and prepare for fights.

    Why would you not do it ? I mean you potentially end up spending more time on something silly, because you where to lazy to spend a few minutes to at the very least know your role. Waste of your time and others.

  13. #73
    Heroic mode I tend to read up and research for as much info as possible for the boss we are gonna attempt and the boss after that

  14. #74
    Quote Originally Posted by Jaylock View Post
    "Playing the game, and wanting a challenge" is wasting 24 other people's time, especially when the majority of the raid members have already read up and understand the fight conceptually and their role in the fight.
    Those 24 other people should know what they're walking into. If they're going into LFR they should be prepared to play with others who are encountering the fight for the first time with no preparation. If they're running an organized raid they should have set expectations ahead of time so that there were no misunderstandings. By "24 other people" you really mean your time because I'm pretty sure you haven't polled everyone I've ever run with to determine whether or not they thought I was wasting their time. This, ironically, is the entitled attitude that you're complaining about. You're not entitled to a flawless run with 24 experienced raiders when you queue up for a random group.
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  15. #75
    Yeah, I really enjoy reading up on boss mechanics beforehand and try to work out my role during the fight!

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  16. #76
    Too general to discuss.
    Two completely different situations here, that should be treated separately.

    If we are talking casual raiding (IE flex or even LFR) then it is quite acceptable to not look up the encounters beforehand, as you have very little expectation and aren't focused on speed or efficiency.

    However, if we are talking progression raiding (even through normals) if you have not looked up the fight beforehand you have done a great disservice to your guild.
    If you take raiding at all serious you should spend 5 minutes preparing for the progression target.
    No reason not to.

  17. #77
    Quote Originally Posted by Ronduwil View Post
    Those 24 other people should know what they're walking into. If they're going into LFR they should be prepared to play with others who are encountering the fight for the first time with no preparation. If they're running an organized raid they should have set expectations ahead of time so that there were no misunderstandings. By "24 other people" you really mean your time because I'm pretty sure you haven't polled everyone I've ever run with to determine whether or not they thought I was wasting their time. This, ironically, is the entitled attitude that you're complaining about. You're not entitled to a flawless run with 24 experienced raiders when you queue up for a random group.
    No you shouldn't. Its a problem that being unprepared is the standard. the journal was added for a reason. You ARE wasting other people's time, whether they are in a rush about it or not. Stop being entitled and contribute properly to a group environment rather than advocate laziness and a lack of dedication to a collective cause.

  18. #78
    Quote Originally Posted by Itisamuh View Post
    That would completely eliminate the fun for me. I want to figure out things for myself, not read a guide or download a mod that does it for me.
    Running into a raid with some kind of fire bomb on you will eliminate the "fun" of the other 24 people in your group.

  19. #79
    Quote Originally Posted by sith View Post
    Running into a raid with some kind of fire bomb on you will eliminate the "fun" of the other 24 people in your group.
    I think it more less depends on the previous gaming/wow experience of a person. I didn't ready any tactics before hand and just popped in LFR and did quite well. Because as silly it may be but most of the "different" boss mechanics in wow are basically don't stand in most of the shiny stuff,stack now,don't stack now and focus adds.

  20. #80
    Quote Originally Posted by Xl House lX View Post
    Your attitude is one of the reasons why I stopped raiding back when I did play WoW. Did I watch videos learn about the fights before I went into the encounter? Yes. Did I still fail because it was my first attempt? Yes. Did I get virtually yelled at for failing? Yes.

    You can read and learn about how to do something in a book all damn day, but nothing compares to learning on the spot. People in WoW, especially when it comes to the topic of raiding, have this ULTRA elitist attitude that everyone should be perfect, know 100% everything about their class, should be geared 100% to their expectations (which are usually higher than what is required), and should fail 0% of the time. This is something I would expect from a world first-type guild, not from anything below heroic raiding. Its so toxic and it really doesn't help WoW's case at all.

    This is a little off topic but the only way I would ever return to WoW (especially the raiding aspect of it) is if I was in a situation similar to what you see in the web show "The Guild", where all of my real life friends are my guild mates/raiding buddies. Internet anonymity has really negatively impacted all video games, but the MMO genre has taken a harder blow than others.
    i agree, what i'll add to this is wheredid the "fun in discovery" go? i remember when i bought a game when the internet wasn't really there, you had to be on your own and you'd be proud of having it figured it out on your own. now though, the whole thing from beginning to end is on youtube, what is the fun in that?

    Even when i raided back in vanilla when "guides" hadn't really taken off yet, we wiped but we wiped because we had to figure shit out, not because i didn't follow a guide , you kinda have to in some instances now because blizzard has to compensate for these guides.

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