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  1. #241
    Quote Originally Posted by Durantye View Post
    There is plenty of resistance on the isle if the people are willing to put up any 4 extremely powerful buffs that you can gain and 1 of 4 practically legendary buffs. This isn't a sociopath's item and people that say that are generally those that are getting farmed on the isle because they can't quite handle a little thing called world pvp.
    Timeless Isle is a place you need to be to get your fresh 90 going to get into raiding. And it will have no chance against anything. The players that benefit the most from the buffs you find around the isle is the ubergeared, and the griefers are more sure to have them than the poor alts walking around. Even if you have decent gear, what does that matter when a hunter unloads his barrage of shots on you from behind and you have lost half your life before you know what's going on. "Can't handle world pvp" = "Gets frusterated when aggressive people outgearing you swarm you and kill you just because they can". Even if enough players get so fed up they make some kind of hunting party, overpowering the griefers, they just respawn and that's it. If this was world pvp, they should be pvp flagged for a while longer so that they had to flee for a while or get on top again. They get no penalty.

    This shouldn't be a part of the game. Blizzard should prohibit griefing on all levels.


    ok, I might accept it if they would suffer a 50%+ reduction in health and damage under the censure effect. If they would be more of an annoyance than a game-braeking experience.
    Mother pus bucket!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Durantye View Post
    You think if you changed their models and unable to whisper you it would be different or something?
    Yes, since we're in war against the enemy faction, not own.

  3. #243
    Quote Originally Posted by Kaleredar View Post
    In WoW, it is. It always has been. This really shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone who's actually played on a PvP server since there was any actual PvP going on.
    I have only ever played on PVP servers. I have never had a situation where there was an incentive for players to farm other players. There was the odd occasion where some enemy factions were being idiots but not a mechanic where the sole incentive was to go out and annoy people.

    I'm not sure if the situation you're positing actually even happened to you, or you're just conjecturing up some bad situation.

    When you are killed by someone using the censer, you get a 10 minute debuff. If they kill you again while you have that debuff on you, they don't get a bloody coin. On TOP of that, only ONE person that kills you out of this group of five, or what have you, people, can get a bloody coin from you anyway. It doesn't give one to everyone involved in killing you.

    If you remove bloody coins from the equation, then it literally becomes a matter of ganking, which they could have been doing to you if they were on the opposite faction irrespective of the censer or not. Ganking, which if you'll recall, is something that can happen on a PvP server.

    If it's not for you, then, obviously, PvP in which you might face people trying to kill you in the world apparently isn't for you. In which case, they have PvE servers for just that.
    As I said, I have always played on PvP servers. Yes, this did happen to me, often. Running away doesn't help because you can't get away quick enough when you are outnumbered. If you last more than 2 blows then there is bound to be a root or slow in there. The 10 min debuff doesn't mean much to most of the farmers, they are not really looking for it, they are just looking for red. Ganking is easy to deal with. Someone shouts at a main city that people are ganking players in X and a bunch of max level players quickly go and deal with the problem. Have you tried saying the same thing about coin farmers? I saw someone put a message in trade and they were lambasted with pretty much the same insults that are going on here.

    World PvP has never been about farming people. Danger, count me in, 2 vs 1, count me in, farming, come on, are you seriously trying to tell me that people will pay to be farmed? I love going around in the world not knowing if an enemy player will be around the corner waiting for me. It makes things interesting. But being farmed is not what I signed up for.

  4. #244
    Quote Originally Posted by tankbug View Post
    Timeless Isle is a place you need to be to get your fresh 90 going to get into raiding. And it will have no chance against anything. The players that benefit the most from the buffs you find around the isle is the ubergeared, and the griefers are more sure to have them than the poor alts walking around. Even if you have decent gear, what does that matter when a hunter unloads his barrage of shots on you from behind and you have lost half your life before you know what's going on. "Can't handle world pvp" = "Gets frusterated when aggressive people outgearing you swarm you and kill you just because they can". Even if enough players get so fed up they make some kind of hunting party, overpowering the griefers, they just respawn and that's it. If this was world pvp, they should be pvp flagged for a while longer so that they had to flee for a while or get on top again. They get no penalty.

    This shouldn't be a part of the game. Blizzard should prohibit griefing on all levels.


    ok, I might accept it if they would suffer a 50%+ reduction in health and damage under the censure effect. If they would be more of an annoyance than a game-braeking experience.
    Censers can't have any of the timeless isle buffs except the food one which is a minor buff. Welcome to world pvp no matter which faction you are fighting you think fighting a 570 gnome mage would have a different result of fighting a 570 blood elf mage?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anzaman View Post
    Yes, since we're in war against the enemy faction, not own.
    I've already responded to you on this weak argument multiple times.

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    Anyways, thankfully it's only limited to Timeless Isle.

    It can be left there to rot once World of Warcraft: Warlords of Draenor -expansion is released.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anzaman View Post
    Anyways, thankfully it's only limited to Timeless Isle.

    It can be left there to rot once World of Warcraft: Warlords of Draenor -expansion is released.
    Unlikely as next people will cry about the pvp island next.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Durantye View Post
    Unlikely as next people will cry about the pvp island next.
    How comes?

    Blizzard is going to balance it with cross-realm tech, so there won't be free-for-all action.

  8. #248
    Quote Originally Posted by Anzaman View Post
    How comes?

    Blizzard is going to balance it with cross-realm tech, so there won't be free-for-all action.
    It never was free-for-all it was censored vs uncensored, now it'll be a case of the samething except now you can't whisper the people teaming up to kill you 5v1.

  9. #249
    Quote Originally Posted by Durantye View Post
    No you are simply crying about a mechanic you couldn't deal with but tons of others seem to be just fine with and even enjoy, it isn't you criticizing a 'flawed' mechanic when you suggest it should be alliance which would in essence do the same exact thing only likely more savagely due to faction differences.
    The only people defending it are the ones who are actually using it. Most of the people I chatted with on TI were dead against it. There were plenty of "f..g coin farmer" comments. That's not exactly a glowing reference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gray_Matter View Post
    I have only ever played on PVP servers. I have never had a situation where there was an incentive for players to farm other players. There was the odd occasion where some enemy factions were being idiots but not a mechanic where the sole incentive was to go out and annoy people.



    As I said, I have always played on PvP servers. Yes, this did happen to me, often. Running away doesn't help because you can't get away quick enough when you are outnumbered. If you last more than 2 blows then there is bound to be a root or slow in there. The 10 min debuff doesn't mean much to most of the farmers, they are not really looking for it, they are just looking for red. Ganking is easy to deal with. Someone shouts at a main city that people are ganking players in X and a bunch of max level players quickly go and deal with the problem. Have you tried saying the same thing about coin farmers? I saw someone put a message in trade and they were lambasted with pretty much the same insults that are going on here.

    World PvP has never been about farming people. Danger, count me in, 2 vs 1, count me in, farming, come on, are you seriously trying to tell me that people will pay to be farmed? I love going around in the world not knowing if an enemy player will be around the corner waiting for me. It makes things interesting. But being farmed is not what I signed up for.
    They're encouraging world PvP. People have been asking for Blizzard to do that for a long time. They relegated it to one island in one part of a continent at the END of the expansion.

    As I said, you could easily buy your own censer for a piddlin' sum of timeless coins and be completely immune to the farming demigod players as they can't actually farm you as you're friendly to them.

    There are avenues to gear up other than the timeless isle. TOT LFR is more than enough to get into SoO LFR, PvP grinds have always been the way they are, and flex raiding has made it easier on top of everything else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DemoBytom View Post
    Which buff on the TI lets your 480ilv char survive the opener of high-end geared rogue (on our realm rogues/ferals are vast majority of censer users)?.. My 566ilv tank looses 2/3 of HP before a rogue breaks stealth, unless I trinket (and many alts don't even have pvp trinkets available)..
    My 480 warr was dying before I even saw the rogue unstealth.. >.<'

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    Not to mention - most censers wont jump on you if you're ready for them.. They will jump on you when you already have mobs (and TI mobs require quite a lot of good movement to not die to their ground attacks)..
    No buff can really help you in most of those situations..
    First bolded part, I call BS, There is no way a 566 tank can lose that much HP, Impossible, Unless you're wearing cloth, my tank has less ilvl than that and I've never once gone past 80% in an opener, and there are some very well geared people on my realm, Both full HC/Warforged and PvP, I just can't believe a tank can lose 2/3 of their HP in an opener.

    Second bolded part I don't believe either, You do realise people farming the coins won't attack you while you're fighting a mob, because if the mob gets the KB on you then they get no coin, it makes no sense, Yes, maybe people who are just grieving, but they would do it regardless, But people who actually farm coins won't risk losing all the kills to mobs, especially those with one shot mechanics.

    Obviously, you might be telling the truth here, But I'm just saying that in my opinion, I don't see either of those happening
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gray_Matter View Post
    The only people defending it are the ones who are actually using it. Most of the people I chatted with on TI were dead against it. There were plenty of "f..g coin farmer" comments. That's not exactly a glowing reference.
    People will also say "Fuck those rogues that gank people in STV" and complain about being ganked at the dark portal and oh so many other things.
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  13. #253
    Quote Originally Posted by Gray_Matter View Post
    The only people defending it are the ones who are actually using it. Most of the people I chatted with on TI were dead against it. There were plenty of "f..g coin farmer" comments. That's not exactly a glowing reference.
    Yeah and this is why WoD won't be as dangerous or fun of a place because people can't handle being unable to survive what they sign up for knowing should be difficult i.e. Timeless Isle on a PvP server.

  14. #254
    Quote Originally Posted by Durantye View Post
    Censers can't have any of the timeless isle buffs except the food one which is a minor buff. Welcome to world pvp no matter which faction you are fighting you think fighting a 570 gnome mage would have a different result of fighting a 570 blood elf mage?
    Please tell me where an enemy player has farmed you before?

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    Its the dumbest thing they have come up with in a while, and I believe the negative feedback they received will warrant it wont happen again.
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  16. #256
    If the PVP zone in WoD is just for PVP, I won't protest at all. I will not go there, and people who want to PVP can frag their asses off. The best solution for everyone.
    Mother pus bucket!

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    Infracted.

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  18. #258
    Quote Originally Posted by Gray_Matter View Post
    Please tell me where an enemy player has farmed you before?
    I've been farmed LITERALLY by my own guildies before, on my alts I get killed all the time I consider it an extra challenge to look out for.

  19. #259
    Quote Originally Posted by Durantye View Post
    Yeah and this is why WoD won't be as dangerous or fun of a place because people can't handle being unable to survive what they sign up for knowing should be difficult i.e. Timeless Isle on a PvP server.
    But you just said "tons of others seem to be just fine with and even enjoy". It seems to me that's not quite the truth. If it was so successful, why is it not finding its way into WoD? Do you think that Blizzard would leave out a wildly successful mechanic that "tons of people are fine with enjoy".

    The point is that for everyone else but the coin farmers, it stinks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gray_Matter View Post
    Please tell me where an enemy player has farmed you before?
    I only kill lowbies who are picking on other lowbies or who are messing with guards or things like that. Suffice to say, however, I could have easily tailed them and continued cutting them down if I had wished.

    I'm not an asshole, however, so I don't. But there are many, many players who continually farm (also known as CAMP) lowbies or noobs at the GY because they can.

    Again. Part of being on a PvP server.
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