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    Ironman/Pacifist Challenge

    Would anyone be insane enough to try it? Essentially it's a HM Pacifist challenge + Ironman. Conditions are the same as Ironman w/ exception to the no specialization/professions rules (You're allowed to have professions that don't involve killing any type of NPCs. . . including plants) so no fishing/herbing/alchemy/etc, but you're allowed to mine, practice archaeology, etc. Essentially it would boil down to trying to reach max level through exploring, professions, completing quests here and there, and most importantly, surviving the grind using any fatal spells/talents. I've seen a couple people do pacifist challenges, and many do iron man, but no one seems to have done both yet.

    HM of this challenge is simple - PVP Flag must be enabled throughout challenge.
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    What's the difference between mining and herbalism in this sense? >_>
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    How about this: defeat Oondasta without every leveling up beyond one.

    I'm serious! Oondasta is the most difficult challenge a level one could face (as all raids require a certain level to enter). I is certainly posible, though the character doing so would undoutbly need to stay out of the melee and have healers specifically for that character.

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    Does winning pet battles count as "killing?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by videotape View Post
    Does winning pet battles count as "killing?"
    I guess, as it involves killing pets.

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    I have read about people doing the same thing (reaching max level without dying or doing any quest that involves killing), but those did allow the use of herbalism and fishing.

    Also, pet battles shouldn't be allowed unless there is a way to track how many pets you have captured or killed in pet battles (I'm not aware of any of these statistics being displayed). If you just capture enemy pets, then I don't see why it couldn't be used.

    However, I think the big problem here is the no herbalism rule. That would make things extremely difficult as ore veins are arguably much harder to get to than herbs.

    So I'm not sure if your challenge would work or not. But if you attempt it, good luck!

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    Level up by doing BG's? Just afk in a corner, no need to kill anybody.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Santti View Post
    Level up by doing BG's? Just afk in a corner, no need to kill anybody.
    This is typically not allowed. You also run the risk of someone getting too close and you receiving a HK, which would immediately disqualify the run.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fungj View Post
    I guess, as it involves killing pets.
    You dont kill them. They feinth.
    Don't sweat the details!!!

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    Does fishing still count if you toss the fish you catch out of your inventory? Catch and release.

    Herbalism also doesn't necessarily mean you are killing the plants.

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    Indeed, Herbalism does not have to and probably wouldn't kill the plants. If Herbalism is banned, Archaeology and Mining should also be banned as they are also moderately destructive in their own ways. Of course that leaves only exploration or non-violent quest XP, which is surely not abundant enough to go 1-90.

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    Actually, because the motives of NPCs cannot be known, I think a true pacifist must abstain from completing any quests. Even non-violent quests may facilitate NPCs with violent intentions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by videotape View Post
    Indeed, Herbalism does not have to and probably wouldn't kill the plants.
    And if you aren't allowed to harvest plants, then you might as well roll over and die because your character will starve to death.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquamonkey View Post
    And if you aren't allowed to harvest plants, then you might as well roll over and die because your character will starve to death.
    Nah, just carry a pocket mage with you.

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    I never understood why people force themselves on things like this in the first place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Pebbleton View Post
    I never understood why people force themselves on things like this in the first place.
    For fun why else....

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    Quote Originally Posted by worstpvperus View Post
    For fun why else....
    What's funnier than gathering herbs until you're level 90?
    Apart from anything else, i mean!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Descense View Post
    You dont kill them. They feinth.
    I stomp them after my pets are finished with them.
    You're getting exactly what you deserve.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Pebbleton View Post
    What's funnier than gathering herbs until you're level 90?
    Apart from anything else, i mean!
    It's a challenge, in much the same way doing heroic modes, challenge modes, etc. it's just a different way to challenge yourself while playing the game.

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