Normal Cross-Realm SoO, Jan 6 Hotfixes, Connected Realm Updates, Blue Tweets, Fan Art

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http://www.raidbots.com/dpsbot/Iron_...all/14/60/p90/
http://www.raidbots.com/dpsbot/Malko...all/14/60/p90/

So. Umm. What makes Hunters worthy of hotfix buffs and not, say, Priests or Paladins?

http://www.raidbots.com/dpsbot/Overa.../all/7/30/avg/
http://www.raidbots.com/dpsbot/Overa.../all/7/30/avg/

Hunters/retri paladins/shadow priests does about same dps.

I would gladly take hand of protection/sacrifice/freedom/salvation.. all the defensive and healing talents + lay on hands..
instead of 8% ap buff (10% on top on 125%).. 5-6% overall damage.

Same with priests - you don't realize what you have before you loose it.
Hunters are pure dps class with ZERO raid utility/cd - we deserve those 5-6% dps on top of hybrids with raid CDs and offhealing.

And don't start about hunter pet buffs - those are NOT raid utility/CD. Any serious raidgroup has every buff without our pets.
Misdirection is useless(tanks NEVER loose agro).
Ice traps remove other slows(we are not allowed to use them).
Aspect of the daze is even worse - we have to sacrifice 20% of our damage.. Last and only time cheetah was useful in raiding - icc, hagara.

Only reason why i stick to my hunter - i love it!
I love shooting arrows.
But from raid perspective - we could use a raid cd!

We are pure dps with ZERO useful raid utility/CD. We get benched all the time, not stacked like other pure dps classes.
Can't remember last time we were on top - we deserve it!

[Caribald]

http://www.raidbots.com/dpsbot/Iron_...all/14/60/p90/
http://www.raidbots.com/dpsbot/Malko...all/14/60/p90/

So. Umm. What makes Hunters worthy of hotfix buffs and not, say, Priests or Paladins?

I can pick random settings on raidbots too; I even daresay this one is more relevant than your examples.

http://www.raidbots.com/dpsbot/Overa...all/14/30/p99/

[Deleted]

They could just flat nerf SoO normal by 10% if difficulty is seen as a problem.

Don't do it.
The constant nerfing of raids makes it feel less of an achievement when you clear it.
By this stage, most guilds who haven't cleared it should have more than enough gear to outgear it. It's just a case of executing the fights correctly.
You get to the stage where you can just skip entire phases/mechanics. That should be reserved for next expansions.
We're still progressing on Heroic but I'd be super unhappy if they decided to nerf that.

[VanishO2]

http://www.raidbots.com/dpsbot/Overa.../all/7/30/avg/
http://www.raidbots.com/dpsbot/Overa.../all/7/30/avg/

Hunters/retri paladins/shadow priests does about same dps.

I would gladly take hand of protection/sacrifice/freedom/salvation.. all the defensive and healing talents + lay on hands..
instead of 8% ap buff (10% on top on 125%).. 5-6% overall damage.

Same with priests - you don't realize what you have before you loose it.
Hunters are pure dps class with ZERO raid utility/cd - we deserve those 5-6% dps on top of hybrids with raid CDs and offhealing.

And don't start about hunter pet buffs - those are NOT raid utility/CD. Any serious raidgroup has every buff without our pets.
Misdirection is useless(tanks NEVER loose agro).
Ice traps remove other slows(we are not allowed to use them).
Aspect of the daze is even worse - we have to sacrifice 20% of our damage.. Last and only time cheetah was useful in raiding - icc, hagara.

Only reason why i stick to my hunter - i love it!
I love shooting arrows.
But from raid perspective - we could use a raid cd!

We are pure dps with ZERO useful raid utility/CD. We get benched all the time, not stacked like other pure dps classes.
Can't remember last time we were on top - we deserve it!

0 raid utility/cd?

And the only class that, for example, does not care about anything in a fight like Thork?

Well maybe in something like LFR, you just one more DPS like others... maybe also on flex...

And yes, pets that can fill any raid buffs and spells like BL, BR, etc. are raid cds, buffs, etc. just because you don't like how they work, doesn't mean they're not.

[Xaxxor]

What do you mean "restrictions"?
If SoO normal would become crossrealm that wouldn't mean it becomes like raidfiner right? Raidleaders can decide who they take.

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0 raid utility/cd?

And the only class that, for example, does not care about anything in a fight like Thork?

Well maybe in something like LFR, you just one more DPS like others... maybe also on flex...

And yes, pets that can fill any raid buffs and spells like BL, BR, etc. are raid cds, buffs, etc. just because you don't like how they work, doesn't mean they're not.

You are wrong
Compared to the other pure DPS hunters damage isnt correct
Yes your pets can bring missing buff but you will preff the class who have this buff because he will outdps any hunter.And since the flat nerf on your detterence CD we cant skip most of the deadly mechanics like before
And that dude who says that MD is useless lets think again. MD is perfect tool for controling adds spawns and make sure that they will go stright to tanks instead to healers who start to run like chickens always oposite on tanks positions
Also hunters are most casual one who have to deal with some side tasks like kill engeneer on garrosh or go on belt but they need a dps to do this task on heroic otherwise is better to send some mage or warlock to do their job

And leaving SoO locked sux mine realm is empty and i want to do Normal pugs with mine alts or just Garrosh kill with mine main but i hope when 6.0 comes that to be changed and instance to be nerfed like other raids

[Deleted]

0 raid utility/cd?

And the only class that, for example, does not care about anything in a fight like Thork?

Well maybe in something like LFR, you just one more DPS like others... maybe also on flex...

And yes, pets that can fill any raid buffs and spells like BL, BR, etc. are raid cds, buffs, etc. just because you don't like how they work, doesn't mean they're not.

And that is why i linked overall damage, not fight which favor one or another class. So what if there is 1 fight out of 14 where hunter shines?
There are such fights for every class..

Sorry, but hero/BL comes from mage or shammy.
You miss BR in raidgroup? druid/lock/dk. We had 3 BR in 10man.. + the way how hunters battle ress works is retarded - why bother..
I prefer revager/talstrider - just in case if someone is slacking with debuffs when there is much target switching.

Pets "can" fill buff/debuff - BUT any serious group has them ALL! without our pets.
If you talk about casual raiding, 5-6% damage does not matter as well!

I am not talking about casual raiding with friends - hardcore raiding it the place where hunters suck!
Sorry, but you can't compare hunters "utility" to paladin or priest.. You look stupid by doing that!

I would gladly be 5-6% behind top dps classes if i could get all the utility/heals and raid cds as heal/dps hybrids does!
But right now we are behind without ANY reason! same dps as hybrids(priest/druid/pala) without such utility/healing AND some raid cds!

I am not mad, i quit serious raiding month ago! (after we downed Garrosh).
But if you look at recent history: Mages, locks, rogues often gets stacked. While hunters are there only to soak agility mail. And not only because raid leaders hate hunters in general!

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You are wrong
Compared to the other pure DPS hunters damage isnt correct
Yes your pets can bring missing buff but you will preff the class who have this buff because he will outdps any hunter.And since the flat nerf on your detterence CD we cant skip most of the deadly mechanics like before
And that dude who says that MD is useless lets think again. MD is perfect tool for controling adds spawns and make sure that they will go stright to tanks instead to healers who start to run like chickens always oposite on tanks positions
Also hunters are most casual one who have to deal with some side tasks like kill engeneer on garrosh or go on belt but they need a dps to do this task on heroic otherwise is better to send some mage or warlock to do their job

And leaving SoO locked sux mine realm is empty and i want to do Normal pugs with mine alts or just Garrosh kill with mine main but i hope when 6.0 comes that to be changed and instance to be nerfed like other raids

If you min/max - sooner or later hunter will loose damage by doing such tasks. Sorry, but pet is buggy - even on passive/manual control.

Skilled warlock(also pure) could gain dps in your examples - hunter could even loose some if pet bugs or something.
Yes, it is safe with hunter - hard to fuck up.. But NOT most optimal scenario.. really skilled lock will gain dps in both examples.

Same with target switching - we loose a lot because of pet. Leaving it on last target rarely is an option. + all the pet bugs..
Never seen new content without some pathing issues.
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MD has huge potential, but blizzard rarely puts random adds in fights.
Only fight where it was useful in MoP - tortos. Maybe i used it few times on horridon as well.

Ranged taunt may come handy, but MD.. rarely.. not in hc raiding..
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I didn't say that we have no toolkit (taunt,masters call, MD, even FD).. but there is no place to use them.. most fights are tank/spank + some shit on ground.

Even if there were some fights where we could MD or taunt mob - our tools is NOTHING compared to priest/druid/paladin utility/healing/raid CD.
It is only fair that we should do a little more dps to compensate for it.(instead we are getting benched tier after tier(while other pures even gets stacked)).

I would be totally fine doing same dps as hybrids if only i had some raid cd etc.. to be fair!

[Amerissis]

If MMO sees this: please - let them connect english eu realm : Bloodhoof to any realm because the realm is dying and my main characters are there ... even on horde (especially dying)

MMO is a fansite, they have nothing to do with Blizzard or connecting realms. If you have requests, direct them to Blizzard.. on their forums, or through their email (not that they will listen, but at least you're talking to the correct wall).

[Inveracity]

We dont need Soo cross realm right now. It would be a mess.

Would be nice for some of us with alts that are sitting dormant because our servers are dead and there's no spots for us. This alone is tempting to unsub because I've got multiple 560+ toons going to waste while only one raids heroic. Kind of annoying.

[Zstr]

would better ask for stackable 5% nerf each mounth like in ICC and DS !
guess that won't happened either ; / hey hey being stucked in before last 4 heroic bosses..

[Lumineus]

I can pick random settings on raidbots too; I even daresay this one is more relevant than your examples.

http://www.raidbots.com/dpsbot/Overa...all/14/30/p99/

It's hardly "random." I picked Jug N and Malk N for a reason. And that reason is because they're Patchwerk bosses where the rankings are glaringly obvious. You just don't like it because it doesn't support your PoV. I'm sorry Hunter damage is over-reliant upon early burst from Stampede and falls off in longer duration Heroic encounters. But there are classes that will never even get the gear to outscale you with because their only damage specs are bad in Normals.

[thunderdragon2]

Why buff hunters? :\

they fall down the charts all the time mid xpac due to blizz not fixing hunter stat scaling so they just band aind fix them instead im fucking sick of it.

blizzard had an oppertuntiy in the mop beta to fix hunter stat scaling and they didnt

[Sam the Wiser]

Good to see Blizzard showing some backbone for once. Keep them out of normal!

[Gruffertus]

What I am mostly getting from the stat discussions is "We're not going to have anything you can play with for at least two months".

[KrakinTauren]

Well, I'm running out of gear to get in Flex on my main and I'm not bothering to get Flex gear on profession alts. So basically I'm running out of content to do before WoD. And I'm not alone, several people which I run Flex regularly with or have been talking with on Openraid, are in the same spot in "progression" and are considering quitting until WoD.
So cross-realm enabled Normal SoO would be greatfor us. Can keep heroic mode restricted to realm only, that's fine.
PS! Before you all come and ask/say... NO! as in, no, there aren't any (or just too restrictive) pugs on our realms. No, we wont start our own pugs (for some of us, we have had bad experiences with our realm pug communities). No, we won't join raiding guilds (hate em).

[Deleted]

No, please do not implement anything that might de-rail any WoD dev-pipeline. We need a whole expansion with new content to come out as soon as possible.
Don't spend dev-time on SoO - it's done, it's over.

[CaptainArlong]

Don't do it.
The constant nerfing of raids makes it feel less of an achievement when you clear it.
By this stage, most guilds who haven't cleared it should have more than enough gear to outgear it. It's just a case of executing the fights correctly.
You get to the stage where you can just skip entire phases/mechanics. That should be reserved for next expansions.
We're still progressing on Heroic but I'd be super unhappy if they decided to nerf that.

It's not an achievement to finish a raid period. You say so right in your post, it's just knowing what to do in the fight. If you think that's an achievement, then so is getting up to go to the bathroom. It's just playing a video game, there's nothing special about beating a raid boss.

[Stormrage]

Zarhym is such a moron. First he claims it's not a trivial change(which it is) then he says, well it'll screw up the dev pipeline. Which it really doesn't. At least not significantly. Having one programmer spend less than an hour enabling cross-realm for SoO(something they do with EVERY raid when it's not current) wouldn't seriously affect their ability to produce patch 6.0 or WoD on schedule(which they don't really have).

You work for blizzard and know this as a fact?

[Peacemoon]

Yes please to cross realm SoO normal.

I don't think there should be any arbitrary restrictions. Just raid leaders discretion.

[Rioo]

I'd rather see flex size for normal than cross realm. But both would be good.