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  1. #261
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raelbo View Post
    /snip
    Nicely transcribed. It's a nitpicky thing, but I can't stand it when people type 2-3 words and send it. It breaks up the flow of a conversation.
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  2. #262
    Quote Originally Posted by Raelbo View Post
    Just to clear some things up, I took the time to transcribe the conversation from the original stream between the GM and Sodapoppin, with Sodapoppin microphone chat included (which is in and of itself quite insightful as to what his frame of mind was at the time). Note that the link to his youtube stream is missing a big chunk of this conversation and thus portrays a very different story to what actually happened:
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    Soda: I have 10 000 people watching this chat
    Soda: right now
    Soda: and you expect me
    Soda: to return some idiot 1k gold
    Soda: that I didn't steal from
    Soda: he gave to me
    Soda (over the mic) what I am going to say? I'm going to refuse. This is literally retarded. This is stupid. If I get a permaban I
    swear I'll call Blizzard because this is fucking retarded. I legitimately...

    2:58:41
    This is why he got banned. If this was an honest mistake (and it very well may have been) all he had to do was to return the gold and move on. Like he said, he "wipes his ass" with 1k gold, so what's the problem? This attitude that "I'm famous because a bunch of kids have nothing better to do than watch me play WoW and am therefore entitled to keep someone's gold" is what banned him. Maybe this will serve as a wake-up call. I don't understand what "principle" he thinks he's standing on.
    Quote Originally Posted by CandyCotton Marshmallows View Post
    People need to get over the gear color (and themselves). It doesn't matter, and it shouldn't matter what other players have either. Worry about your damn self. Live your life by that. If you want to concern yourself with someone else, then worry about HELPING them, not putting them down or making sure you stand out as better than them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anarch the Conqueror View Post
    I didn't make a general statement. I said he should've cooperated with the GM. Civil resilience towards the government is a whole completely different subject.
    Although customer resilience is also a subject I take close to heart, but in this case the customer just was being an obstructious ass.
    You did though.
    Quote Originally Posted by Anarch the Conqueror View Post
    If a GM contacts you though and asks you to resolve a matter you should just agree and do what the GM requests, imo. Instead of arguing for sake of principle.

    That said, the GM that issued the ban is probably still going to get fired over it. Blizzard is extremely draconic when it comes to the behaviour and merits of it's GMs, according to some ex-Blizzard employees AMA interviews on Reddit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronduwil View Post
    This is why he got banned. If this was an honest mistake (and it very well may have been) all he had to do was to return the gold and move on. Like he said, he "wipes his ass" with 1k gold, so what's the problem? This attitude that "I'm famous because a bunch of kids have nothing better to do than watch me play WoW and am therefore entitled to keep someone's gold" is what banned him. Maybe this will serve as a wake-up call. I don't understand what "principle" he thinks he's standing on.
    He got banned for three hours, hes not going to learn anything.

  4. #264
    Quote Originally Posted by Anarch the Conqueror View Post
    If a GM contacts you though and asks you to resolve a matter you should just agree and do what the GM requests, imo. Instead of arguing for sake of principle.

    That said, the GM that issued the ban is probably still going to get fired over it. Blizzard is extremely draconic when it comes to the behaviour and merits of it's GMs, according to some ex-Blizzard employees AMA interviews on Reddit.
    I HIGHLY doubt that, he was given the choice to return the gold or actions would be taken, he chose to refuse.
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    I created a black human male called "Pedopriest" and ran him to SW.
    I started asking where the schools were.
    Someone said "My kids play on this server you creep! How can you live with yourself?"
    I whispered back, "How old are they?"
    Yeah.

  5. #265
    Lol this is such a stupid situation. If someone put gold in a trade window and hit trade without me saying anything I would take it to and not give it back. GM seemed to have gotten confused and was probably pissy at how soda responded so he gave the suspension.

  6. #266
    Quote Originally Posted by Endre View Post
    So the streamer just accepted that gold for nothing and didn't even bothered to ask the person why he would give him the gold?

    I'd ban that asshole as well, for just being an asshole.
    Streamers and other well-known characters in WoW gets a lot of gifts. Kungen could earn a few thousand gold just by walking through Org back in the day, I've seen more than one streamer just get a Sky Golem for free no questions asked. How do you think Swifty earned hundreds of thousand gold doing arena? He didn't, its all donation by fans and viewers.

  7. #267
    Quote Originally Posted by SLOWLLY View Post
    Hey there.
    Was watching a stream and less than an hour ago, the streamer was banned. Also important to mention that he has a lot of viewers and he's constantly spammed ingame through the chat or any kind of invite (party, wargame, etc).

    So, player A (the one who reported) spammed the streamer. Apparentely he also typed on /s that he'd give 1000g for a duel. The streamer obviously never read that, there's way too much spam.
    By now player A was already in ignore list because of the spam.
    However, player A trades the streamer 1000g and presses accept. The streamer just accepts. There was absolutely no agreement on "duel for gold", ever.

    Conclusion: player A reports the streamer because he took the gold and never dueled him/put him on ignore. Streamer gets banned.

    Did the streamer just go against the TOS? Let's also say that player A's nickname was against the TOS and the GM that handled the case never noticed (much competence).
    The streamer appealed against the ban and the next GM said the ban was correctly applied.


    I wanna see what you guys think of this. I've had bad experiences with the TOS before and with some braindead rules there regarding pugs + masterloot/ninja leaders.

    Who's wrong in this situation?

    The streamer blizzard should ban all wow celebrities, they are very disruptive to the game.

    after reading his conversation with the GM it makes me want to actually go out go my way to get him banned from wow.
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    Rather than arguing with the GM like a stupid brat, he should have just pulled the GM off his back by returning a measly 1k gold, for fuck sake lol. He could have avoided a suspension and 5 minutes of his time if he just listened to the GM and traded it to the guy just like that, done and dusted.
    Last edited by NatePsychotic; 2014-01-14 at 03:25 AM.

  9. #269
    Quote Originally Posted by ChildeRoland View Post
    Streamers and other well-known characters in WoW gets a lot of gifts. Kungen could earn a few thousand gold just by walking through Org back in the day, I've seen more than one streamer just get a Sky Golem for free no questions asked. How do you think Swifty earned hundreds of thousand gold doing arena? He didn't, its all donation by fans and viewers.
    That doesn't mean that he's entitled to accept someone's money in exchange for a service (a duel) and then keep it without providing that service. If he didn't want to duel, then fine. If he didn't bother to read his chat and just accepted the money without realizing what it was for, that's an honest mistake too. However, once he was made aware that the money had been intended in exchange for a service he should have given it back with no questions asked. It's called being a decent human being instead of a selfish, spoiled brat.
    Quote Originally Posted by CandyCotton Marshmallows View Post
    People need to get over the gear color (and themselves). It doesn't matter, and it shouldn't matter what other players have either. Worry about your damn self. Live your life by that. If you want to concern yourself with someone else, then worry about HELPING them, not putting them down or making sure you stand out as better than them.
    Maybe the game would be better with more low DPS nice guys and fewer high DPS jerks? -- Ghostcrawler, Twitter, 6/29/13

  10. #270
    Quote Originally Posted by Mush View Post
    You did though.
    If you consider that a general statement about resistance to authority, then I'm going to have to say that: "Yes, whenever a GM asks you to cooperate you should."

    Maybe people will understand this better once they had to run their own business or manage an online community.

  11. #271
    step 1: spam someone "ill give u X for Y" till you end up on their ignore list

    step 2: trade them your X and run away

    step 3: open ticket for scamming

    step 4: ???

    step 5: profit

    Thanks for sharing this I'm sure it will be put to good use

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    Quote Originally Posted by Part View Post
    step 1: spam someone "ill give u X for Y" till you end up on their ignore list
    You do realise that if you are on someone's ignore list you can no longer open a trade window with them....

    Quote Originally Posted by Part View Post
    step 2: trade them your X and run away
    Can't do this once you're on their ignore list

    Quote Originally Posted by Part View Post
    step 3: open ticket for scamming
    By this point it is clear that you are in fact the scammer here. Well done on bringing this to a GM's attention.

    Quote Originally Posted by Part View Post
    step 4: ???
    Enjoy your ban.

  13. #273
    Quote Originally Posted by Raelbo View Post
    You do realise that if you are on someone's ignore list you can no longer open a trade window with them....



    Can't do this once you're on their ignore list



    By this point it is clear that you are in fact the scammer here. Well done on bringing this to a GM's attention.



    Enjoy your ban.
    1. trade streamer that gets spam traded gold already 1000g
    2. spam whisper them a random request
    3. get ignored for being dumb
    4. get streamer banned

  14. #274
    Quote Originally Posted by threadz View Post
    1. trade streamer that gets spam traded gold already 1000g
    2. spam whisper them a random request
    3. get ignored for being dumb
    4. get streamer banned
    Are you stupid or something? You have to make the request BEFORE giving them the money, which won't happen if they ignore you. Saying "Duel me for 1k gold", then trading them 1k gold, that carries the implication that they were agreeing to the terms, and are obligated to duel you. Giving someone 1k gold, then saying "duel me for 1k gold" after the fact will not get anyone banned, because there were no terms when the money was initially traded.

    Second, your cute scenario overlooks one simple FACT-the streamer WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN BANNED if he had simply returned the gold when the GM asked him to.

    Seriously dude, quit trying cause it's beyond obvious that you don't have a fucking clue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by threadz View Post
    1. trade streamer that gets spam traded gold already 1000g
    2. spam whisper them a random request
    3. get ignored for being dumb
    4. Report streamer
    5. GM talks to streamer
    6. If streamer is a complete retard, streamer gets banned, but most likely GM recognises who is trying to scam whom.
    7. You get banned.

  16. #276
    I would think blizzard doesn't like every type of streamer representing the game. You can see some have a sense of profession, and some don't, and when you make an example like this to a gm. Your just going to bury yourself in the long run. Anyone with sense knows what the right thing to do is in this situation.

  17. #277
    Quote Originally Posted by NatePsychotic View Post
    Rather than arguing with the GM like a stupid brat, he should have just pulled the GM off his back by returning a measly 1k gold, for fuck sake lol. He could have avoided a suspension and 5 minutes of his time if he just listened to the GM and traded it to the guy just like that, done and dusted.
    100% agree. The "I have 10000 people watching" thing is close to the arrogant "Don't you know who I am" of some Hollywood people. It's laughable.
    As if he is on the process of some highly important work and will lose mony if he stops. No one would have switched of because he returns the gold within 3 mins. The silly childish "fight" with the GM was a bigger waste of time...

  18. #278
    Quote Originally Posted by Zantos View Post
    Blizzard doesn't usually step in when it comes to player vs player money disputes. I find it odd they would step in for a random trade.

    This^

    Blizzard does not get involved in Player vs Player disputes unless it's a "I'm gonna find you and kill you in your sleep" threat.

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    Oh it's sodapopping?


    someone who thinks he is popular on a stream = tells blizzard what to do.. no ... no sir that isn't gonna work out in your favor.

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