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Over the last 10 years, Blizzard has taken over $10bn from MMO players. Take a look around your game...do you see $10bn worth of content available to you? Do you see even a tiny fraction of that in relevant content? Now ask me again why I dislike what Blizzard has done to the MMO industry.
This just in. Vorondil wants you to run Flex with every applicant you get.
Everything is just wrong with your logic, lmao. Inbefore 560 iLvl and wants to join a 10/14 HC guild when he called it for a shit progress.
To all those ''modern raiders'' who think applying to guilds is stupid and guilds should just invite you to trial because you're ''leet'' and ''have amazing logs'' - raiding wasn't really about logs in the first place. Raiding is about people working together to overcome challenges and when you want to work with someone, you want them to fit in well with your team. We're talking about spending 16 hours a week together (this is how much we raid) with people who you've never met before. You have the application process where you judge them, not only by their logs, but also by their reaction to constructive criticism, the way they voice their opinion and by how much effort they invest in what they do. You need to be able to tell that they are worth your time.
And to that person who stated they ''write a bunch of lies in their applications anyway'' (or however it went), the community is as bad as it is today because of people like you. It makes me sad even reading statements like those and thinking I have to look at such applications from time to time.
Most of the guilds I was app-ing to in Cata were FAR below my "weight class" as I was looking for less raid nights and a more casual approach to raiding. I had gotten pretty burned out on the seriousness of raiding 6-7 days a week, mostly from the time I got home from work until so late at night I was getting only a few hours of sleep at the beginning of raid tiers.
What I found was the guilds that were less hardcore were often MORE of a pain in the ass to apply to and deal with!
I was a bit shocked.
(and the reason I was applying so much was because I was applying as a pure DPS spec; that can be an enormous pain in the ass, and especially early Cata, with hundreds of guilds popping up out of no where, no one was filling tank spots.)
I also found that most, if not all, of those guilds that made it such a pain in the ass to apply to had their forums hidden from non-members, meaning I had no recourse to look up the attitudes and behavior of the members.
I remember several times getting forum access to my new guild, and thinking "oh jesus Christ, what have I gotten myself into..."
I'll never forget a particularly unsavory time when I gained access to the guild only to find out that it was so racist, their "members only" forum and loot distribution site used racist slurs as rankings for loot priorities.
Needless to say, that didn't come up during the application.
I guess it would be fair to say that apps were the main reason I got tired of looking for a raiding guild, coupled with the high cost of character transfers (and the waiting period) because the app process often isn't a two way street, and it sucks being told you're paying $35 to transfer to a guild that did amazingly well the last tier, but is so internally broken and nasty that 90% of the raid team quits the minute you join, or who recruited you for a bench spot in case of attendance issues and didn't mention that, or who's raid leader screams racial slurs at you over vent for 4 hours a night.
My GM pretty much sums it up. Currently we're in the process of recruiting for WoD and that means we're getting a lot of applications, like we just had 2 today. We spend a lot of time and put in a lot of effort and dedication to make sure, our guild won't end like many others - dying cause the leadership isn't competent enough to ensure the people they recruit are actually worth recruiting in the first place.
The amount of BS applications we've read over the years and still replied in a decent manner makes me wanna cry tbh. But as long as we can see people are actually putting in the effort, we still think that giving them a proper reply - even if declining them - is the only fair thing to do. And if someone writes "Cbf answering your silly questions", we can then say "We cbf with your attitude" and be done with it. It's actually quite simple.
Oh and about the noodle cart. It's a joke question, but apparently the joke went over someone's head^^. The reason behind it though, is that we got a trial who was like 10/14 Heroic and he actually didn't know, that you can take 6 in total. So every time a cart was placed, he'd take one and after a wipe he'd be like "Sigh, 300 stat food is so expensive atm, this wipe just cost me 100g" rofl.
Anyways, in general I'd say that the people who don't understand why they have to fill out an application, are probably not the sort of player those guilds are looking for in the first place......
It's mostly for us to get a brief idea of what the player might be capable of and more-so just to prove that they really want in. If they can't be bothered to spend a few minutes filling in an application then we don't want them, it's a game but sticking to a strict schedule throughout the tier takes a lot of dedication some times.
If someone is too lazy to fill out an application, then more than likely they are too lazy to take the time to research fights/their class/optimal playstyles/everythingelseunderthesunrequiredforraiding.
Of course, filling out an application doesn't prove all of the above- it at least weeds out the few that don't like spending time to benefit anyone other than themselves. Also, just by how someone "comes across" is a good way to tell if they will be a good fit for your raid group. Remember: Everyone is paying $15 a month in that raid. They all want the best experience possible. If you're not a good fit for the guild as a person and as a raider, then chances are you're just going to waste peoples time because gear and experience doesn't really show much nowadays.
All the most progressive content guilds i've been in from EverQuest to WoW required applications. You don't get to be #1 on the server by recruiting trash players out of trade.
I think the whole process of guild applications is another reason why recruiting isn't as good as it was in the past. Big reason why its required so much now is because the game lacks any challenging content outside of raiding. In TBC if you had someone interested. Take 'em through some of the heroics on vent and if they can perform great/seem normal, then we'll take you into Kharazhan. There's no tryouts anymore in game. Server recommendations were big too. Everyone knew everyone for the most part. Guilds talked about who was good/bad a jerk/good shit and you couldn't just server xfer/name change your doucheness away. 1-60 back then was way worse then 15 dollars now. If you had to do it once I guarantee you would of never done it again. You have alot of thinking time on your hands making that long grind again. Like WOW jail LOL.
I'm sick of the whole guild application bs, I did it WOTLK multiple times transferring servers to see guilds disband a month later and being told on different occasions in applications that well you're gear isn't top notch. Well no shit sherlock but look at the damage I'm doing with what I have, I'd give you a run for your money if we were on an even playing field. Point is it was tougher then actually getting a job that pays six figures (I'm not exaggerating that it really was).
I will never ever seriously apply for a guild again in my gaming "career" fuck that. I guess there's LFR for me, well Fuck that too, I'd rather quit the game. No wonder I'm not playing WOW anymore. Even in FF14, some dude's like you need to sign into the guild website. No i don't, I just want to play the damn game. I can carry my weight and get along with everyone but I'm not signing into your circle jerk bs website. If you're going to kick me for not wanting to sign into a website and I'm good everywhere else, you're priorities are messed up.
why do i have to fill out a boring job application when they should just let me work a trial for no pay for two weeks and see how i do?
I love the part where guild members thinking their established spot grants them divine knowledge start to discuss theorycrafting with you only to do 20% less dps during your actual test.
oh, and whatever your point of view on your class, its spells and talents, you're wrong.
even though you're a heroic level raider since vanilla with extensive experience during all tiers and several server first =)
maybe it's only french guilds, at least I hope.
I also see raiding as a two way exchange, that guild needs recruitment as much as applys want to raid, but the standard seem to be thinking you're doing people a favour by letting them do their job on bosses.
I saw your personality and attitude because you refuse to do any sort of applications. Don't you think that the system works now? You pretty much just proved it.
If you manage to do so, kudos to you, but that's as unlikely as me coming home to find out my apartments been turned into a harem of 16 year old girls.
Other way around, I'm the guy with the exp and server firsts
Found myself applying 3 times in the last year because guilds implode, it's always a great experience in how a little power corrupts people and how much dick sucking can be required.
Well this guy took that power and turned into a gigantic prick. Most people were 530-555 IL. I made my alt Ret pally (with no gear) my main since they needed one. 510 IL... doing 20k less than a 545 boomkin. I was called out twice after raids for "poor performance" and that I need to step it up or else they'll be looking for replacements. I was doing 98-100% of my simcraft DPS most fights, sometimes a little over 100%. At least that was a proper gauge, however I was being compared to a 545 bookin and 548 warlock, who barely did more than I did.
Of course I left, and yes power can be a horrible thing. Few do well with power.
I do agree that long winded applications to join guilds are frustrating. I've filled out quite a few in the past that took me 1-2 hours each purely because I wanted to ensure my answers were sufficiently indepth, and showed that I had potential.
However, I am all in favour of short applications to join a guild, and as such my guild does have such an app. That being said, I don't always require it to be completed.
Generally if a prospective raider whispers me, I'll get chatting with them, and ask them a bunch of questions that effectively are in the app anyways. It also gives me a starting point from where I can research and ultimately be able to make an informed decision.
If someone wants to join us and and can't contact us in-game, then the app process is fast and straight forward.
Our simple questions are along the lines of character name, class, ms/os, are you skilled at playing your offspec (this is something that 10 man guilds need a lot), where do you live (so we have a basic idea of timezone), raiding experience (this is important to us because it lets us see whether you have raided previously in cutting edge heroic content), list your raiding addons (this allows us to see if they have basic things like dot timers, threat meters, and other basic raid performance tools), and a general question about whether they do research on their class and if so where do they get their information (lets us see that they're serious about performing to their maximum capabilities).
All up this process takes 5-10 minutes to complete and gives us basic information as to whether this person is worth researching further as a prospective recruit. If the responses in the app are effectively a cbf with your app, then we generally decline. If you can't be arsed filling out a fast simple app, then we can't be arsed researching you further to decide whether you'd be a good raider. I'm sure we've turned away a couple apps who were skilled players, but for us it's not all about skill/performance, it's also about the social aspect of the game and if you don't fit in socially with the rest of the guild then that's a big problem for us.
For every app that comes in where the potential applicant spends 10 minutes on their app, the officer team spend well over an hour together researching the player to ensure that they are appropriate for our guild. From the app process, we attempt to verify what the person has included in their app (i.e. if they tell us they killed Heroic Madness of Deathwing pre-nerf, we'll look that up). We look for raid logs so we can see whether the person is putting out appropriate numbers, not standing in fire, and handling mechanics properly. We look for their raid history (i.e. if they have the Hand of A'dal title, then it's generally accepted that they're going to be a reasonable raider), and how many times they've guild jumped over the past couple of years to see if they're simply a guild hopper using guilds as stepping stones to higher guilds (we don't like being used).
My guild is almost an extended family, and most people who join us tend to stick around. My raid team is still 70% the same as it was when we were raiding in ICC, and most of those who are no longer with us have actually quit the game rather than moved to other guilds.
That being said we're a heroic progression guild, so we aren't there to educate players, gear them from scratch, and/or teach them how to play.
The app process allows us to quickly decide whether the applicant is worth investigating further, or directing them elsewhere.
Volun-told - A supposedly optional event, award, assignment, or activity in which a person (or persons) are required to attend either by persons-in-charge nominating them or their peers expecting them to be there. The individual often has no say in the matter, and non-attendance in frowned upon.
I am so tired of seeing terrible people, being admired, for being terrible people.