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    Never. It's a net DPS loss. Most fights are long enough that if you did that twice, which it would amount to, it would mean you wasted nearly a full EM over the entire fight (1 min of waiting). On some fights, it's worth it, like I said. On most it isn't.

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    I'll keep that part in my mind.
    i'm fairly new to Shamans and trying a lot of things.
    And since i started to get on the good side of the Loot God, i've been trying even more!
    Fun Class for fun time.

    Thanks!

  3. #23
    Quote Originally Posted by Zyckey View Post
    So you don't keep EM off CD for, let's say, 30 sec for your Fire Elemental to be ready ?
    I do. I'm wearing heroic AoC 2/2 (finally, don't get me started) so my Fire Elemental is on a 3.38 minute cooldown. I absolutely hold every other EM to match up with Fire Elemental Totem, unless the boss is going to die before FET is up or is doing to die in less than EM's duration.

    Regarding Stormlash Totem, I use this macro to prevent overlaps with other shaman in my raid:

    Code:
    #showtooltip Stormlash Totem
    /targetenemy [noexists][noharm]
    /cleartarget [noharm]
    /tar Stormlash Totem
    /cast [harm]Stormlash Totem
    /targetlasttarget [help]
    If there's a friendly Stormlash up in range, it won't let me cast mine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by miffy23 View Post
    Never. It's a net DPS loss. Most fights are long enough that if you did that twice, which it would amount to, it would mean you wasted nearly a full EM over the entire fight (1 min of waiting). On some fights, it's worth it, like I said. On most it isn't.
    EM's cooldown is 90 seconds. With heroic AoC 2/2, my Fire Elemental cooldown is 202.8 seconds. So, holding every other EM to match up with FET loses 22.8 seconds every cooldown cycle.

    Code:
           | On Cooldown     | Synchronized
    -------+-----------------+----------------
    0.0s   | EM(1) + FET     | EM(1) + FET    
    90s    | EM(2)           | EM(2)
    180s   | EM(3)           |
           |                 |
    202.8s | FET             | EM(3) + FET
           |                 |
    270s   | EM(4)           |
    292.8s |                 | EM(4)
    360s   | EM(5)           |
           |                 |
    405.6s | FET             | EM(5) + FET
           |                 |
    450s   | EM(6)           |
    495.6s |                 | EM(6)
    540s   | EM(7)           |
           |                 |
    608.4s | FET             | EM(7) + FET
           |                 |
    630s   | EM(8)           |
    698.4s |                 | EM(8)
    720s   | EM(9)           |
           |                 |
    810s ~ |                 |
    811.2s | EM(10) + FET    | EM(9) + FET
    -------+-----------------+----------------
    
    EM Overlap (On CD) in a 600s fight.
    EM(1):  20 seconds.
    
    Total:  20 seconds in a sub-10 minute (600s) fight.
    
    EM Overlap (Synch)
    EM(1):  20 seconds.
    EM(3):  20 seconds.
    EM(5):  20 seconds.
    
    Total:  60 seconds in a sub-10 minute (600s) fight.
    To actually lose an EM, it takes quite a while. On the other hand, having a hasted Fire Elemental is a lot of damage. Hold it, IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hekili View Post
    I do. I'm wearing heroic AoC 2/2 (finally, don't get me started) so my Fire Elemental is on a 3.38 minute cooldown. I absolutely hold every other EM to match up with Fire Elemental Totem, unless the boss is going to die before FET is up or is doing to die in less than EM's duration.

    Regarding Stormlash Totem, I use this macro to prevent overlaps with other shaman in my raid:

    Code:
    #showtooltip Stormlash Totem
    /targetenemy [noexists][noharm]
    /cleartarget [noharm]
    /tar Stormlash Totem
    /cast [harm]Stormlash Totem
    /targetlasttarget [help]
    If there's a friendly Stormlash up in range, it won't let me cast mine.

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    EM's cooldown is 90 seconds. With heroic AoC 2/2, my Fire Elemental cooldown is 202.8 seconds. So, holding every other EM to match up with FET loses 22.8 seconds every cooldown cycle.

    Code:
           | On Cooldown     | Synchronized
    -------+-----------------+----------------
    0.0s   | EM(1) + FET     | EM(1) + FET    
    90s    | EM(2)           | EM(2)
    180s   | EM(3)           |
           |                 |
    202.8s | FET             | EM(3) + FET
           |                 |
    270s   | EM(4)           |
    292.8s |                 | EM(4)
    360s   | EM(5)           |
           |                 |
    405.6s | FET             | EM(5) + FET
           |                 |
    450s   | EM(6)           |
    495.6s |                 | EM(6)
    540s   | EM(7)           |
           |                 |
    608.4s | FET             | EM(7) + FET
           |                 |
    630s   | EM(8)           |
    698.4s |                 | EM(8)
    720s   | EM(9)           |
           |                 |
    810s ~ |                 |
    811.2s | EM(10) + FET    | EM(9) + FET
    -------+-----------------+----------------
    
    EM Overlap (On CD) in a 600s fight.
    EM(1):  20 seconds.
    
    Total:  20 seconds in a sub-10 minute (600s) fight.
    
    EM Overlap (Synch)
    EM(1):  20 seconds.
    EM(3):  20 seconds.
    EM(5):  20 seconds.
    
    Total:  60 seconds in a sub-10 minute (600s) fight.
    To actually lose an EM, it takes quite a while. On the other hand, having a hasted Fire Elemental is a lot of damage. Hold it, IMO.
    With your AoC, yes. Mine is Flex.

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    Hi Hekili!

    It's the first time I've seen this macro ever. Does it somehow reduces the "cast time"?

    Also, here's a WeakAura I use for Stormlash - it shows a big icon for when it's cast, how long it's up (10sec) and shows a name of who used it.

    Code:
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    Quote Originally Posted by miffy23 View Post
    With your AoC, yes. Mine is Flex.
    Code:
           | On Cooldown     | Synchronized
    -------+-----------------+----------------
    0.0s   | EM(1) + FET     | EM(1) + FET    
    90s    | EM(2)           | EM(2)
    180s   | EM(3)           |
           |                 |
    219s   | FET             | EM(3) + FET
           |                 |
    270s   | EM(4)           |
    309s   |                 | EM(4)
    360s   | EM(5)           |
           |                 |
    438s   | FET             | EM(5) + FET
           |                 |
    450s   | EM(6)           |
    528s   |                 | EM(6)
    540s   | EM(7)           |
           |                 |
    -------+-----------------+----------------
    
    EM Overlap (On CD) in a 600s fight.
    EM(1):  20 seconds.
    EM(4):  9 seconds.
    EM(6):  20 seconds.
    Total:  49 seconds in a sub-10 minute (600s) fight.
    
    EM Overlap (Synch)
    EM(1):  20 seconds.
    EM(3):  20 seconds.
    EM(5):  20 seconds.
    
    Total:  60 seconds in a sub-10 minute (600s) fight.
    
    There's one fewer EM when holding it, vs. using it on CD, but 11 more seconds of synchronized EM+FET with them lined up.  I'd guess they're roughly equivalent with a Flex AoC.
    Basically, there's less overlap to be lost going on cooldown with your Flex (2/2) trinket, looking at 10-minute fights. There are obviously fight windows where you could potentially lose an EM, i.e., 200s and 239s, 290s and 319s, 380s and 458s, and between 470s and 548s.

    Synching up loses the EM at 540s.

    That's fight lengths of: 3.33 - 3.98 minutes, 4.83 - 5.32 minutes, 6.33 - 7.63 minutes, or 7.83 - 9.13 minutes.

    Even then, those numbers are partially based on holding EM for FET, even when FET won't come off CD before the fight ends. Which is silly. If your fight would end before your 2nd, 3rd, 4th... FET, you should not hold your 3rd, 5th, 7th... EM. Otherwise, the synergy between EM+FET is worth it. I mean, it's the whole reason to go EM+FET, isn't it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by joak22 View Post
    Hi Hekili!

    It's the first time I've seen this macro ever. Does it somehow reduces the "cast time"?
    Not sure what you mean. The macro basically tries to target a friendly Stormlash Totem, then only casts Stormlash Totem if you have a hostile target, then returns to your original target.

    So, in PvE, if a friendly's Stormlash is down, it targets that totem, fails to cast Stormlash (as you're briefly targeting a friendly target), and then returns to your previous hostile target. If no friendly Stormlash is down, you retain your hostile target, Stormlash casts successfully, and you continue DPSing your hostile target.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hekili View Post
    I do. I'm wearing heroic AoC 2/2 (finally, don't get me started) so my Fire Elemental is on a 3.38 minute cooldown. I absolutely hold every other EM to match up with Fire Elemental Totem, unless the boss is going to die before FET is up or is doing to die in less than EM's duration.
    .
    This, in most situations I'll hold my EM for 25 seconds to line up with every Ascendance.
    This also makes it line up with the first 20 seconds of first fire elemental and the last 20 seconds of your second fire elemental.
    ofc this is with HWF AoC and were at a point where encounters are lasting 4:30 seconds on average.
    Last edited by Felocity; 2014-01-25 at 02:44 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hekili View Post
    /
    Not sure what you mean. The macro basically tries to target a friendly Stormlash Totem, then only casts Stormlash Totem if you have a hostile target, then returns to your original target.

    So, in PvE, if a friendly's Stormlash is down, it targets that totem, fails to cast Stormlash (as you're briefly targeting a friendly target), and then returns to your previous hostile target. If no friendly Stormlash is down, you retain your hostile target, Stormlash casts successfully, and you continue DPSing your hostile target.
    Tried it out tonight for the first time. What I meant is if stormlash is expired will it still cast as soon as it's expired? I'm not wording that right but I have a WeakAura set up so I know exactly when the Stormlash expires (icon - timed 10 secs) and well, I'm kinda used to pop mine as soon as the other one expires. When I tried your macro, the stormlash would not pop especially because the other one was still "considered" up - you probably noticed this already when say your FET is still up even if the totem is "considered" expired, the totem is still there for like ~1 second.

    Anyways, I prefer without the macro because it happened to me a few times where I had to delay some abilities because I noticed stormlash was not down even after I pressed it like 3 times already, not used to delaying it sadly.
    Last edited by joak22; 2014-01-29 at 02:09 AM.

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    i heared that the stormlash totems now stacks if 2 or more shamans drop it in the same time, is that right?

  10. #30
    OK, I've tried to take all the best info I found in this thread and come up with my optimal opener as Enhanced. I don't have Springs or a racial (I know, I know...)

    Spirit Walk > Pre-pot > Spirit Wolves > Fire Elemental Totem >

    BOSS in melee >

    Stormstrike > Heroism > Elemental Mastery > Ascendance > Kafa Press > Stormlash Totem > Stormblast > Unleash Elements > Flame Shock > Lava Lash > Lightning Bolt > Stormblast > Rotation

    I've macroed "Heroism > Elemental Mastery > Ascendance > Kafa Press" together for an all out pull and I keep Kafa Press at the end in case it's on cooldown; otherwise I just drop Heroism. I'm holding off triggering my trinkets/procs until I'm actually on the boss.

    I welcome all informed feedback.

  11. #31
    That's what I'm using right now Bippy, I've tried almost 7 openers during MoP and right now this one is the best. Assuming perfect comp (3 lashes, 2-3 skull banners) and perfect procs, you can get over 1.3 million dps on pull (574+ ilvl).

  12. #32
    Quote Originally Posted by Bippy View Post
    OK, I've tried to take all the best info I found in this thread and come up with my optimal opener as Enhanced. I don't have Springs or a racial (I know, I know...)

    Spirit Walk > Pre-pot > Spirit Wolves > Fire Elemental Totem >

    BOSS in melee >

    Stormstrike > Heroism > Elemental Mastery > Ascendance > Kafa Press > Stormlash Totem > Stormblast > Unleash Elements > Flame Shock > Lava Lash > Lightning Bolt > Stormblast > Rotation

    I've macroed "Heroism > Elemental Mastery > Ascendance > Kafa Press" together for an all out pull and I keep Kafa Press at the end in case it's on cooldown; otherwise I just drop Heroism. I'm holding off triggering my trinkets/procs until I'm actually on the boss.

    I welcome all informed feedback.
    Prepot puts Kafa Press on 1m cooldown for me so how do you use both?

  13. #33
    Quote Originally Posted by Buddahpal View Post
    Prepot puts Kafa Press on 1m cooldown for me so how do you use both?
    Yeah, I discovered that too. Seems that the development and the practice of the optimal are not always the same thing.

    I do keep Kafa Press at the end of my heroism macro for those times when we don't hero/lust at the pull.

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    Hmm, since it's part of the opener and it's kinda an issue, i'll post it here;

    Yesterday, SoO 10 HC, Immerseus.
    FOr a boss on farm, it was a wipe fest and i came across something strange and i wanted to know if one of you got the same.

    To shorten things :

    My Fire Elemental died to melee from Immerseus.
    We could go on with "Tanks were not in melee range" (and they were not...) but the "fun" part is ... The hunter's pet didn't die once nor did he take a massive swing.

    (Results : 5M Damage from Melee for my Elemental, 200k for the Hunter's pet)

    I was running with PE so both should have been pets and i'm wondering why this thing occured.
    Last edited by Zyckey; 2014-02-06 at 09:40 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zyckey View Post
    Hmm, since it's part of the opener and it's kinda an issue, i'll post it here;

    Yesterday, SoO 10 HC, Immerseus.
    FOr a boss on farm, it was a wipe fest and i came across something strange and i wanted to know if one of you got the same.

    To shorten things :

    My Fire Elemental died to melee from Immerseus.
    We could go on with "Tanks were not in melee range" (and they were not...) but the "fun" part is ... The hunter's pet didn't die once nor did he take a massive swing.

    (Results : 5M Damage from Melee for my Elemental, 200k for the Hunter's pet)

    I was running with PE so both should have been pets and i'm wondering why this thing occured.
    Very simple - buffed PE does far more damage than a non-BM hunter pet and will therefore be higher on the aggro table. Aggro list counts for pets too.

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    That cross my mind too.
    Watching the replay at lunch, it's actually... luck and threat.

    My Fire ELemental dies and less than a second after, he goes in P2 OR one of the tank thinks : "Eh, i should go in melee range".
    Not fair for my Elemental... who had around 20 sec more to live. (And damaging. )

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    I open like this
    pre-pot
    engi gloves
    feral spirits
    elemental mastery
    ascendance
    fire elemental
    stormlash
    throw unleash elements
    stormblast
    flameshock
    lavalash
    lightning bolt
    your next stormblast should be roughly here

    this opening rotation has me bursting generally 1mil-1.6mil. last week i topped out at almost 2mil dps on heroic dark shamans (keep in mind you'll only hold that for like, 2 seconds at the very best).

    http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...nscream/simple

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deanscream View Post
    I open like this
    pre-pot
    engi gloves
    feral spirits
    elemental mastery
    ascendance
    fire elemental
    stormlash
    throw unleash elements
    stormblast
    flameshock
    lavalash
    lightning bolt
    your next stormblast should be roughly here

    this opening rotation has me bursting generally 1mil-1.6mil. last week i topped out at almost 2mil dps on heroic dark shamans (keep in mind you'll only hold that for like, 2 seconds at the very best).

    http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...nscream/simple

    How come you pop engi gloves so early i feel like you're waiting a few seconds there
    Also maybe you overlooked it maybe you didnt but you dont have Stormstrike before ascendance

    Not sure why you pre pop Wolves but you fire ele after your ascendance pushing out fire ele before this, before you get in range of the boss even will provide you with more "oomf dubtrinketprocs" globals to use

    not sure why you pop ascendance then UE then Stormblast but this almost guarantees that you wont have Vicious for both stormblasts which is a pretty significant lost.
    Last edited by Felocity; 2014-02-14 at 01:33 PM.

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