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  1. #201
    Quote Originally Posted by Mic_128 View Post
    Except that Druids already do that. We've got ingame examples of water and air with Typhoon, Cyclone and Hurricane, and in the novels we've had examples of druids using the earth and on rare occasions, fire.
    We see Druids using fire in Firelands .

    Quote Originally Posted by Mic_128 View Post
    A shaman that doesn't commune with the spirits isn't a shaman at all, much like a warlock who doesn't use demon-based magic.
    Or a Paladin that doesn't bless the light... Oh wait... Belf's don't...

    Your vision of shamanism is the one associeted with spirits, in some cultures around the world a shaman is just a curandeer that does not comune with the spirits. Severall tipes of shamanism exist.

    The way i see Nelf Shaman's, its like they were before the Highborne got kiked from nelf society, it an uneducated nelf, that become a eremit and started comuning with the nature in the last 10 000, and was succefull in understanding the ways of nature.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sunblaze View Post

    2) Using this Point of view, all races can be all classes.
    It still doesn't justify undead paladins for example, just a small example.
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  2. #202
    Quote Originally Posted by Classiccs View Post
    Night Elf Shaman Just Feels Right
    No...........!

  3. #203
    Quote Originally Posted by Jester Joe View Post
    I dunno, it's already bad enough that the night elf hunter in my group comes up to me in transmogged into the current shaman tier claiming to be a shaman...

    Although I suppose technically it would make more sense than dwarves? Although I always thought Night Elves were more about Nature than the Elements overall.
    Yeah they can be druids, but not shaman. Seems weird.
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  4. #204
    Night Elves don't care for Elements, all they care is for druidism only tree bro or you out like they kicked High Elfs.

  5. #205
    The argument that Night Elves don't care for the elements or don't want to is awful. Paladins and Shamans make the most sense on Night Elves. I don't even play that race.

    I played Horde and the one Alliance character I have is a dwarf.

  6. #206
    Quote Originally Posted by IzoGray View Post
    The argument that Night Elves don't care for the elements or don't want to is awful. Paladins and Shamans make the most sense on Night Elves. I don't even play that race.

    I played Horde and the one Alliance character I have is a dwarf.
    They don't. It's simply the fact that different races have different cultures. No need to force every race to be able to be every class. In theory, every race could learn all kinds of practice but it would be god awful to unlock them all for every race. The flavor and prestige of BOTH classes and races should be preserved.

    Why can't human be shaman? Why can't orc be druid? Why can't Tauren be rogue? Why can't gnome be paladin? The lore could be stretched to justify them anyway but it would be terrible. That's the point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varabently View Post
    Yeah they can be druids, but not shaman. Seems weird.
    Why would being able to be druid mean they have to be able to be shaman? Different culture entirely.
    Last edited by Wildmoon; 2014-01-17 at 06:11 PM.

  7. #207
    you play, don't read lore? they are pretty selfish race that wants domination of druids.

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    I do care very much about lore, and yet I still think that there should be almost* no race / class limitations. It's only realistic that there are outliers in every race. Guild Wars 2 has no such restrictions and neither I nor anyone else seems to think that their lore suffers for it.


    * Death Knight is an exception because it's a profession with a certain timeline. Pandaren DK's would make no sense at all, Worgen DK's make little sense as it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wildmoon View Post
    Why can't human be shaman? Why can't orc be druid? Why can't Tauren be rogue? Why can't gnome be paladin? The lore could be stretched to justify them anyway but it would be terrible. That's the point.

    Why would it be terrible? I think it would be great. From a RP standpoint, I'd find it very interesting to come up with sensible concepts for a gnome paladin or tauren rogue. Why not?

  9. #209
    Quote Originally Posted by Awbee View Post
    I do care very much about lore, and yet I still think that there should be almost* no race / class limitations. It's only realistic that there are outliers in every race. Guild Wars 2 has no such restrictions and neither I nor anyone else seems to think that their lore suffers for it.


    * Death Knight is an exception because it's a profession with a certain timeline. Pandaren DK's would make no sense at all, Worgen DK's make little sense as it is.

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    Why would it be terrible? I think it would be great. From a RP standpoint, I'd find it very interesting to come up with sensible concepts for a gnome paladin or tauren rogue. Why not?
    And there are outliers. But they tend to be enemies because the cultures within the alliance/horde of their race rejects them as goes and not allies. The culture they are in does not gree with certain things, and as a result of their upbringing, a night elf won't go from praising Elune to using the light like a paladin does, a gnome won't go from machinery to Druidism and a Tauren won't pick up demonic magic.

    Warlock Draenei are enemies, and are not accepted by the Draenei of the alliance. There are outliers, but thu are not allies.

  10. #210
    Quote Originally Posted by Giscoicus View Post
    And there are outliers. But they tend to be enemies because the cultures within the alliance/horde of their race rejects them as goes and not allies. The culture they are in does not gree with certain things, and as a result of their upbringing, a night elf won't go from praising Elune to using the light like a paladin does, a gnome won't go from machinery to Druidism and a Tauren won't pick up demonic magic.

    Warlock Draenei are enemies, and are not accepted by the Draenei of the alliance. There are outliers, but thu are not allies.
    NE Paladins using the Light might not be possible, but NE Paladins in the vein of Elune might be. Keep in mind that Tauren are only Paladins for gameplay reasons, as are NE priests (gameplay wise, both use the Light, but that's not the way it is in lore. Tauren are more like sun Druids than paladins, and NE pray to Elune, not the Light). Both are vastly different in lore than they are in the game, and certain race/class combos could be similar. For example, I believe NE Paladins could get by as more similar to Sentinels and the Sisterhood of Elune, and be represented as Paladins in the game.

  11. #211
    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow-cleave View Post
    NE Paladins using the Light might not be possible, but NE Paladins in the vein of Elune might be. Keep in mind that Tauren are only Paladins for gameplay reasons, as are NE priests (gameplay wise, both use the Light, but that's not the way it is in lore. Tauren are more like sun Druids than paladins, and NE pray to Elune, not the Light). Both are vastly different in lore than they are in the game, and certain race/class combos could be similar. For example, I believe NE Paladins could get by as more similar to Sentinels and the Sisterhood of Elune, and be represented as Paladins in the game.
    I don't support the tauren paladins either. But tauren still look to light, not moonlight for guidance and power. They are a stretch, a great stretch, but night elves are even more of one.

    Priest is less tied to "the light" than the paladin order. Priests are pretty much just any leader of worshipers, regardless of what they worship. the paladins however, worship "the light". Tauren worship "the light" in the form of the sun. Elune is not a form of "the light" night elves do not worship the light, they worship elune.

  12. #212
    Quote Originally Posted by Giscoicus View Post
    Priest is less tied to "the light" than the paladin order. Priests are pretty much just any leader of worshipers, regardless of what they worship. the paladins however, worship "the light". Tauren worship "the light" in the form of the sun. Elune is not a form of "the light" night elves do not worship the light, they worship elune.
    Unless, of course, Valen was right and Elune is a Naaru.
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  13. #213
    Quote Originally Posted by Giscoicus View Post
    I don't support the tauren paladins either. But tauren still look to light, not moonlight for guidance and power. They are a stretch, a great stretch, but night elves are even more of one.

    Priest is less tied to "the light" than the paladin order. Priests are pretty much just any leader of worshipers, regardless of what they worship. the paladins however, worship "the light". Tauren worship "the light" in the form of the sun. Elune is not a form of "the light" night elves do not worship the light, they worship elune.
    According to Loreology, Elune's power is similar to the Light. And besides, even the first paladins in Azeroth were just Warriors and Priests. The Archbishop and Lothar worked together to create them. Uther was originally a knight, a simple pious warrior. Turalyon was a Priest first. The other 3 first Paladins were the same, Priests or pious warriors. The Sisterhood is already pretty much Warrior-Priests, it's little more than a "hop, skip, and a jump" from that to a Paladin for gameplay. Perhaps there's a group in the Sisterhood who decide to take a more martial role, or something. Anything is possible, and I don't see it being that bad if it's done right.

  14. #214
    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow-cleave View Post
    According to Loreology, Elune's power is similar to the Light. And besides, even the first paladins in Azeroth were just Warriors and Priests. The Archbishop and Lothar worked together to create them. Uther was originally a knight, a simple pious warrior. Turalyon was a Priest first. The other 3 first Paladins were the same, Priests or pious warriors. The Sisterhood is already pretty much Warrior-Priests, it's little more than a "hop, skip, and a jump" from that to a Paladin for gameplay. Perhaps there's a group in the Sisterhood who decide to take a more martial role, or something. Anything is possible, and I don't see it being that bad if it's done right.
    Elune's light, however, is her magic. They are praising Elune, not the light itself. Meanwhile the paladins are praising the light.

  15. #215
    Quote Originally Posted by Giscoicus View Post
    Elune's light, however, is her magic. They are praising Elune, not the light itself. Meanwhile the paladins are praising the light.
    And the Sunwalkers praise An'she (the Earth Mother's eye, the Sun in their culture). And besides there's a tweet from Loreology (Blizzard employee) who said that Elune's magic is similar to the Light. As I said, we have Elune, a religious figure. Her priests are more warrior-priests than anything, similar to paladins. And we have the Sunwalkers and Blood Knights, two other orders that are paladins in the game, but aren't praising the Light at all.

    To clarify, Sunwalkers get their powers from An'she (and are more Druids than paladins), and Blood Knights get theirs from the Sunwell (some do praise the Light, others don't, either way all Blood Knights channel the Light through their innate racial connection to the Sunwell). It's not much of a jump for NE Paladins, and if it's done right, it could be an awesome addition to NE lore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tuor View Post
    We see Druids using fire in Firelands .
    Firelands certainly appears to be shamanism at hand with druids of the flame (which also begs the question of their ability to 'ascend' into fire cats and what that actually counts as), but for a lot of their spells such as typhoon and hurricane - is it calling on the power of the elemental spirits (doesnt seem like it) or weather manipulation / primal magic?
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    which is kind of like saying "of COURSE you can't see the unicorns, unicorns are invisible, silly."

  17. #217
    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow-cleave View Post
    And the Sunwalkers praise An'she (the Earth Mother's eye, the Sun in their culture). And besides there's a tweet from Loreology (Blizzard employee) who said that Elune's magic is similar to the Light. As I said, we have Elune, a religious figure. Her priests are more warrior-priests than anything, similar to paladins. And we have the Sunwalkers and Blood Knights, two other orders that are paladins in the game, but aren't praising the Light at all.

    To clarify, Sunwalkers get their powers from An'she (and are more Druids than paladins), and Blood Knights get theirs from the Sunwell (some do praise the Light, others don't, either way all Blood Knights channel the Light through their innate racial connection to the Sunwell). It's not much of a jump for NE Paladins, and if it's done right, it could be an awesome addition to NE lore.
    And I dont support Sunwalkers being linked to paladins. The sunwell is a bit different as it is the same type of energy as the other paladins use it just comes from the Sunwell rather than prayers and faith.

  18. #218
    Quote Originally Posted by Giscoicus View Post
    And I dont support Sunwalkers being linked to paladins. The sunwell is a bit different as it is the same type of energy as the other paladins use it just comes from the Sunwell rather than prayers and faith.
    Well with Night Elves, it's the same thing. They're priests just channel Elune's power rather than the Light. What's to stop them from taking it a step further and creating NE Paladins?

  19. #219
    Quote Originally Posted by Tuor View Post
    Or a Paladin that doesn't bless the light... Oh wait... Belf's don't...
    Sure they do, they always have. Just that in BC it was the stolen light from a Naaru, and after that it was from the Light-blessed Sunwell. Even Tauren Paladins and Priests worship the Sunlight

    Quote Originally Posted by Raiju View Post
    Firelands certainly appears to be shamanism at hand with druids of the flame (which also begs the question of their ability to 'ascend' into fire cats and what that actually counts as), but for a lot of their spells such as typhoon and hurricane - is it calling on the power of the elemental spirits (doesnt seem like it) or weather manipulation / primal magic?
    According to the novels, it's weather manipulation. Foe example, Malfurion gathered clouds together and created lightning, as opposed to asking the elements for a storm.

  20. #220
    Quote Originally Posted by Raiju View Post
    Firelands certainly appears to be shamanism at hand with druids of the flame (which also begs the question of their ability to 'ascend' into fire cats and what that actually counts as), but for a lot of their spells such as typhoon and hurricane - is it calling on the power of the elemental spirits (doesnt seem like it) or weather manipulation / primal magic?
    Nothing to do with the spirits. Druids do all that by harnessing the nature itself aka messing with the system of Azeroth.

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