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    I didn't really like the whole Druid can be Mages thing. I'm not too fond of this one either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Classiccs View Post
    As it stands right now, Night Elf can't be Shaman. To me, this doesn't feel right and seems like they'd at least be somewhat equipped to be one with the elements considering their history as Druid's. I've asked in-game and only ever gotten the "it goes against lore" response but no substantial explanation.

    How do you guys feel about the race/class combo and what's truly preventing it from happening?
    The 'lore' reason is that the Night Elves do not have a shamanistic culture (actually, baring one sub-section of the Dwarves, no one in the original Alliance does), and therefore never nurtured a connection to the elements.

    Clamining the night elves could be shaman because they are druids is wrong because, aside from both striving for balance, druids have nothing in common with the shamans. Druids follow Cenarius, have nature-based powers, and are sworn to protect the balance of nature. Trees and animals. Shamans make spiritual connections to the elements, striking a bond of servitute as the shaman becomes the servant of the elements, being granted elemental powers and working to keep the balance with the elements, fire, water, and earth (air/lightning too, but for some mechanic reason I don't know, they're rolled into Earth, so... yeah.)

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    I think every race will be available for every class one day. It just seems like a good thing to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Classiccs View Post
    As it stands right now, Night Elf can't be Shaman. To me, this doesn't feel right and seems like they'd at least be somewhat equipped to be one with the elements considering their history as Druid's. I've asked in-game and only ever gotten the "it goes against lore" response but no substantial explanation.

    How do you guys feel about the race/class combo and what's truly preventing it from happening?
    It really is a cultural thing. Shamanism and Druidism serve the same function in their respective race's society. Realistically, it's weird that Tauren CAN be both.
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    I haven't taken the time to look it up, so now I'm like, "Huh. Why ARE Taurens druids? Since they have a tribal shamanistic culture..."

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    They make a lot more sense to be shamans than Draenei do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RaenavenBlacksun View Post
    I haven't taken the time to look it up, so now I'm like, "Huh. Why ARE Taurens druids? Since they have a tribal shamanistic culture..."
    Probably because they had to give the horde something or else the ally would get an extra class.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Babzu View Post
    Probably because they had to give the horde something or else the ally would get an extra class.
    I'm talking lore wise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Classiccs View Post
    As it stands right now, Night Elf can't be Shaman. To me, this doesn't feel right and seems like they'd at least be somewhat equipped to be one with the elements considering their history as Druid's. I've asked in-game and only ever gotten the "it goes against lore" response but no substantial explanation.

    How do you guys feel about the race/class combo and what's truly preventing it from happening?
    What "substantial" explanation do you expect to exist? "It goes against the story" is an excellent reason. You have a story, and in that story, stuff happens. Why did it happen in one way, when it could have happened the other way? Because that's the way the story teller wanted it to happen. If you don't enjoy the story, you are free to go find another story more to your liking. Why can't Wonder Woman shoot lasers from her eyes like Superman can? She'd be at least somewhat equipped since she has a magic lasso and it's not that big of a stretch to make her have magic lasers shoot out of her eyeballs. The reason why, is that it goes against what the guy who invented her said she could do. There is no need for a more "substantial explanation".



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    Lore is a stupid reason
    Then why are you playing mmoRPGs? Are you one of those people who name their toons Swagyolo/Yolosaurrus/etc BS? Why are you here?

    They've already stretched it with tauren paladins, gnome priests, nelf mages. Enough is enough. If you don't enjoy the lore behind the game, the story, and are here only for teh lewts and pvp, then why do you care? why should you have any say in how the writers do their job? When does it stop? Why even name it World of Warcraft? Why not have night elves playable as horde and orcs playable as alliance? Why even have a story? Only 2% or 3% care about the story right?

    Every single time i facepalm when i see a lore retcon or gameplay mechanic change i remember that if the devs took anyone seriously and actually implemented even half of the silly and straight up dumb suggestions that get farted out on a weekly basis, without any thought put into them by random people on a forum, this game would have been LONG gone and we would all be playing guild wars 2 right about now. See how much success that game had with it's "rich lore" and story. Upcoming we have Wildstar, which is basically "some dudes go to a planet and there's old shit on it".

    The Burning Crusade and Wrath of the Lich King were two of the best expansions they've ever put out. Why is that? Why is it that a huge number of people bought the game because they wanted to see what happened to the Lich King or Illidan? Why did so many people not care about Deathwing? The reason? Warcraft3 and it's expansion, which is the sole reason why a vast number of people are have purchased this MMORPG to begin with.
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    Night Elves are into nature. They don't really care about fire or water or air.
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    Tauren Warlock! Awwwww yeah.

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    No. Night Elves are too refined to be Shaman.

    Goblins shouldn't be Shaman either. One of the worst race/class combos ever. Both Gnomes and Goblins need a mechanical-based class.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RaenavenBlacksun View Post
    I haven't taken the time to look it up, so now I'm like, "Huh. Why ARE Taurens druids? Since they have a tribal shamanistic culture..."
    Druidic culture and shamanistic cultures are not mutually exclusive. Taurens have both, while the Night Elves only have druidic culture.
    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    No. Night Elves are too refined to be Shaman.

    Goblins shouldn't be Shaman either. One of the worst race/class combos ever. Both Gnomes and Goblins need a mechanical-based class.
    I agree with that to a point. At the beginning, I also did scratch my head at THAT particular race/class combo, but, in the end, it does make kind of sense. In its core, Shamanism is about contractual servitude, something the goblins are known for (profits and all that), and the goblins realized that, with the powers of the elements, they have much more to gain, profit-wise, once they figure out how to use the powers of the elements in their totally-not-explosion-prone inventions, making them even more powerful, and even more explode-y.

    While doing Cataclysm zones while Cataclysm was current expansion, in Deepholm and in Twilight Highlands you do find a shaman goblin that, if I recall correctly, gives you some insight as to why goblins can be shamans.

    Does the race/class combo make full sense? Not really. Does it make a bit of sense? Yeah, a bit.

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    It doesnt feel right at all imo.

    And now that were at it, revert the class/race combinations that were introduced in Cataclysm and make Shamans and Paladins faction unique again!

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    I'd prefer worgen shamans, I wanted worgen shamans since worgen were implemented

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    Nah. It feels right in the same vein as Undead Paladins, Draenei Warlocks and Human Druids. To each their own, however.
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    I want a Worgen Shaman personally. I don't think it fits any lore but I want one for the racials (fast skinning and the sprint) =)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fleugen View Post
    It's also incorrect.

    Dwarves evolved from the Earthen due to the Curse of Flesh. The ancestors of dwarves were made of earth. Literal Earth elementals. If they couldn't communicate with Earth spirits (And by extension, spirits of the other elements), I'd be extremely disappointed.
    slightly inaccurate, but along the right vein of thought

    Dwarves can be shamans because the Bronzebeards (playable dwarves) learnt it from Wildhammer shamans

    the Wildhammer learnt Shamanism because they have strong ties with the elements, mirroring the Frostwolf Clan in some aspects (replace Frostwolves with Gryphons, replace frigid valley with troll-infested Hinterlands

    until Cataclysm, when the Bronzebeards/Wildhammer finally started integrating their two cultures in earnest, no Bronzebeard had ever thought about becoming a shaman (most likely they were too engrossed with Titan technology and discovering their origins)

    there's also no connection between the Earthen and the Elements, the fact they were made out of stone is simply because of the Earthens working environments (underground, shaping the world) was incredibly suited to being made out of stone; cave-in? no problem, they don't need food, water and have extremely tough exteriors, perfect for toiling in the deep places of Azeroth

    the only reason they weren't made for fighting (like the Vrykul were) is that it seems more difficult to heal Earthen warriors, as they require special poultices or explosive bandages :P

    on-topic, i think Night Elf Shamans make sense, especially considering Druidism is a specialization of Shamanism, where the Druid focuses on dealing with the Spirit of Life instead of the rest of the Elemental spirits
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