Speaking as someone who has had a terrible start to MoP raiding forming a new team isnt easy it takes time. You cant expect to perform at a stellar level when you have just made a raid team its like pugging if you arent familiar with each other. My guild formed 25man hc at the start of ToT and i can safely say we have like 8 original raid members left to this day. You cant blame blizzard for nerfing things so far into SoO. While its not great for the guild that kill it post nerf i guar(dam)ntee you that you will find it hard regardless of nerfs. No boss will fall over the second you enter because its been slightly nerfed. Im sure you will still wipe to belt issues on siege like 30-40 times and still lose someone to paragons for a mechanic which hasnt been nerfed. Remember blizzard didnt nerf the fights into the ground they just made it slightly easier, its still the last 3 bosses of lets face it a long raid tier (14 bosses). Since this is the last raid of the expac traditionally it will get nerfed over time so more and more players will see the end game hc fights. Tbh i dont remember a time where gear has been an issue this entire expansion. Not once have we wiped to enrage (well nourshen hc and thats because of the mechanic in itself) and the whole let people get gear to natural nerf argument is redundant because no amount of gear is going to save you from dying to chomp or dying on the belt. Yes its nerfed, yes you cant kill it non nerfed anymore oh well keep playing you will still enjoy it and tbh no one cares if you killed it prenerf unless you are some super high end world 100 guild and even then saying that they wouldnt be caught dead killing a boss post nerf so meh enjoy your new guild and just have fun build a stable team and look to WoD to cement your name in wow history (bla bla inspirational speach crap).