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  1. #901
    Quote Originally Posted by Snorlax View Post
    LFR started in Dragon Soul so it's really only like three raid tiers in.
    Oh yeah, I forgot, LFR only came in at the end of Cata.

    Half a year after subscriptions had already started to tank.

    It's funny how all the "DURRH GUYS LFR MADE SUBS GO DOWN" crybaby hardcores always seem to forget that too. Gosh, I wonder why Blizzard doesn't see it their way.

  2. #902
    Quote Originally Posted by Alayen View Post
    Oh yeah, I forgot, LFR only came in at the end of Cata.

    Half a year after subscriptions had already started to tank.

    It's funny how all the "DURRH GUYS LFR MADE SUBS GO DOWN" crybaby hardcores always seem to forget that too. Gosh, I wonder why Blizzard doesn't see it their way.
    Literally all 7 of your posts have been immature bullshit. Say something useful or just go away. No one has blamed LFR solely for sub drops.

  3. #903
    Quote Originally Posted by miffy23 View Post
    You fail to realize though that for example duels don't deter people to do arena, they motivate them to - the same thing only better, with actual cool rewards? Awsome! Same thing with BGs - there is a significant step up from "common" BGs to rated BGs in terms of motivation. However as a new player, the motivation and path from LFR to Heroic is much less clear or enticing. Which is why there are so few, if any, heroic raiders that began in MoP. And that is the issue, not LFR itself.
    They removed tier 2 pvp gear so the only motivation for pushing rating is fun. Its glad or bust at the moment. Pver's get heirlooms, titles, mounts, and achievements. There is no reward for doing well in pvp outside of the gladiator mounts. You can grind for all the gear in random battlegrounds.
    Last edited by worstpvperus; 2014-01-26 at 05:11 PM.

  4. #904
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    Quote Originally Posted by worstpvperus View Post
    They removed tier 2 pvp gear so the only motivation for pushing rating is fun. Its glad or bust at the moment. Pver's get heirlooms, titles, mounts, and achievements. There is no reward for doing well in pvp outside of the gladiator mounts. You can grind for all the gear in random battlegrounds.
    Except for heirlooms PVPers get all these as well - unless u already have ALL of them, which is the equivalent of having completed all heroic raiding tiers when they were current.
    My point was that the existing PVP elements outside of Arena and Rated BG don't deter new players from going there, in fact they motivate to. As a NEW player who doesn't have a full set of last season's gear, getting the better gear is very enticing, and going for premade PVP groups is also very rewarding and fun for people that enjoy PVP.

    You could argue the same for PVE, but the fact is that the jump from LFR to anything more organized and challenging is very abstract and hard to make for new players, which directly affects the influx of new raiders.

  5. #905
    Quote Originally Posted by miffy23 View Post
    Except for heirlooms PVPers get all these as well - unless u already have ALL of them, which is the equivalent of having completed all heroic raiding tiers when they were current.
    My point was that the existing PVP elements outside of Arena and Rated BG don't deter new players from going there, in fact they motivate to. As a NEW player who doesn't have a full set of last season's gear, getting the better gear is very enticing, and going for premade PVP groups is also very rewarding and fun for people that enjoy PVP.

    You could argue the same for PVE, but the fact is that the jump from LFR to anything more organized and challenging is very abstract and hard to make for new players, which directly affects the influx of new raiders.
    Random battlegrounds reward conquest there are no reasons to even go past them. Once you have conquest gear its either push for gladiator or quit.
    Last edited by worstpvperus; 2014-01-26 at 08:07 PM.

  6. #906
    A lot of people missed the whole point again.
    LFR allows people to see the end content , but on the other hand discourages other people to aim for normals or heroics.

    This happened to me : I started playing again with the mindset of doing normals or maybe push a little bit more and do a bit hc . So I leveled a new toon , geared him up for LFR in no time , went to LFR , got a few pieces and finished the LFR content. At this point if i want to join a raiding guild and have a chance on anything I should probably get fully geared wih LFR purples . I did my LFR runs every week and after a point I got bored.
    I simply lost the willpower to try and do normal raids. Its just the same sh*t but harder and with better loot. Many people get discouraged to continue after they practically experienced everything.. There is nothing to really keep people focused on raids...

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    Quote Originally Posted by worstpvperus View Post
    No pver's get heirlooms that let them get an advantage in wod. The pvp heirlooms don't offer that. They are fun but all of the gear can be gotten without ever stepping foot in arena or rated battlegrounds. There is no better gear outside of conquest which is obtainable through random battlegrounds. The jump from random battlegrounds to arena is huge a lot of the players in 1700-1800 bracket are former 2400 players. Pver's get all those rewards for doing flex which means you are decent. To get any decent rewards from pvp you have to be a glad or go home.
    Considering the beta for WOD hasn't been released you have no idea what heirlooms will be offered.

    AS it stands the only heirloom available past 85 is a PVE weapon. None of the heirloom gear worked in mop, pve or pvp.

  8. #908
    Well if you want to play with a community that's more social as opposed to anti-social just play on Moon Guard lol (just read the first couple of posts in thread)

  9. #909
    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowpunkz View Post
    Can anyone help me? After I saw this video it got me worried....because I was thinking of coming back in Draenor...but if things will be like this I really don't know anymore.

    VIDEO: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFWh9aY4pas

    min 3:35 (may the trolling begin)

    Are things this bad? Can ANY player no matter how bad they are be able to do 100% of the content (Heroic modes not included).

    I don't play the game for a long time because how things were in Pandaria. Easy accessibility and easy content for everyone removed my will for progression and willpower to continue playing. That and a community that was getting more antisocial by the second with Instanced content being the top priority at the moment. No more Socializing in the open World ( the Isle of Thunder made hoping for more content with pvp encounters and social gameplay in the world....)

    Can someone plz get my hopes up for Draenor? :C

    Mod-note: Fixed your link.

    Well first let me get the elephant out of the room about online games being social...

    That is pretty much getting close to dead, in many games, not just MMOs. With really only forums, like this one, keeping an actual social aspect to the game. The only REAL social MMO I remember playing was Star Wars Galaxies, but in that game you HAD to socialize with people since everything in the game was ran by the player base. (shops, towns, buffs, etc). While sure, in most MMOs you have raids, dungeons, battlegrounds, etc, from my experience of doing said things from City of Heroes all the way up to SWTOR, you really don't run into people wanting to be social. The thing is, social people will look for other social people. People searching for guilds will look for guilds, and people who don't care will continue on not caring.

    If a player sees fit that all they wish to do is LFR, dailys, and a BG every other day, then that's their prerogative. I have friends, and including myself to where the real world comes a calling and do not have the time to do nearly as much as we'd like, but we still have opportunities to enjoy said content that doesn't require as much time and effort, but obviously being rewarded with less quality in comparison to people who do normal raids and rated BGs.

    In the end I don't think things are that bad. Flex, normal raids, heriocs, etc are still done. There are guilds still being social, still doing hard content, and still dedicated to the game.

  10. #910
    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowpunkz View Post
    I don't care! Are you telling me a player that does NOTHING can complete 99% of content in this game? And there are still no World social interaction? Did Blizzard said anything to counter this in the future? Im not that well informed about things atm....
    will be even more so in WoD by about 10x ... if you are thinking about coming back in WoD but are distraught by this then don't, they want to make it even easier and more accessible to baddies and will.

    - - - Updated - - -

    the only thing even nominally challenging still in the game is heroic mode raiding, and even that is far more challenging due to the getting-everyone-to-actually-show-up-consistently-and-have-a-full-group-boss rather than the actual content.

  11. #911
    Quote Originally Posted by Tharkkun View Post
    Considering the beta for WOD hasn't been released you have no idea what heirlooms will be offered.

    AS it stands the only heirloom available past 85 is a PVE weapon. None of the heirloom gear worked in mop, pve or pvp.
    Yeah I do Garrosh drops heirlooms that work from 90-100.

    http://www.wowhead.com/item=105685
    Last edited by worstpvperus; 2014-01-26 at 07:59 PM.

  12. #912
    Quote Originally Posted by Brandon138 View Post
    Literally all 7 of your posts have been immature bullshit. Say something useful or just go away. No one has blamed LFR solely for sub drops.
    Except for every butthurt hardcore in every LFR QQ thread in history, right?

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