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    Quote Originally Posted by Drekmar View Post
    Goblin atheists worship money.
    Just like Republican Christians.

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    Atheism +int
    Goblins would follow islam since they are most likely to blow themselves up

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moon Blade View Post
    This is not at all how atheism is defined at all actually
    In a world where Gods can sit at a bar and get a drink, and mages can fly on carpets, the closest thing to an Atheist would technically be an Agnostic. They can see the 'Super Natural' Being at the bar have a conversation with it, and realize it is not actually anything more than a very powerful being. So in true Atheist manner instead of believing a God is supernatual they choose to empower them selves in the same way the god is.

    So technically an Atheist in game would acknowledge the powerful being and not believe it is a god. Where an Agnostic in game would see the Self proclaimed deity, and think maybe it is a god after all. And a theist in game would worship one of the superpowered beings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gothicshark View Post
    Blood Elves, All Mages, Gnomes, are in game Atheists. They acknowledge they can meet and shake hands with a deity, however they choose to study the ways of Science*** instead.
    Your mage may be Atheist but mine sure isn't. He's as holy and monotheistic as they come, hence why I chose the Human race for their Human Spirit racial!

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    People in this thread are being both hilariously stupid while trying to sound educated and "new wave"

    As strange as it may sound, The Light is a religion with no god. It's a form of divine Humanism.

    People throwing the word atheist around in this thread is as stupid as a person wanting to play an athiest in DnD and then whining when I give him -4 int and wisdom.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zogarth View Post
    Sure you can RP it if you want to, but in no way should it be bound to power, as your char already got said power anyway. Take shamans. They get their power from the elements. So they basicly work for a "deity" of some sort that then gives them power. But this does not need to be a "religion" or anything of the like. It is just a part of the class. Lets not make this more stupid than it already is. It would only create controversy.
    I already said it should be purely cosmetic if they did do something similar.

    I think I said in my first post though Blizzard wouldn't do this anyway because too much work for something to appeal to few.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheWorkingTitle View Post
    Your mage may be Atheist but mine sure isn't. He's as holy and monotheistic as they come, hence why I chose the Human race for their Human Spirit racial!
    Humans are not Monotheistic. The Light is not a god, it is an abstract concept that reacts to emotions and thoughts.

    Saying you Worship the Light is more like saying you understand the concept of love than actually communing with a deity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jester Joe View Post
    I already said it should be purely cosmetic if they did do something similar.

    I think I said in my first post though Blizzard wouldn't do this anyway because too much work for something to appeal to few.
    Personally I'd love if this was used, as a sort of expanded concept upon the Lorewalkers. Used to add background to each races and their cultures and creeds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheWorkingTitle View Post
    Your mage may be Atheist but mine sure isn't. He's as holy and monotheistic as they come, hence why I chose the Human race for their Human Spirit racial!
    That is all RP flair, and I think it should be encouraged to build up a back story and personality of your character even if you do not RP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Fiend View Post
    Humans are not Monotheistic. The Light is not a god, it is an abstract concept that reacts to emotions and thoughts.

    Saying you Worship the Light is more like saying you understand the concept of love than actually communing with a deity.
    your first sentence; follow it. the polytheists used to have gods for Love or courage or wisdom etc. (they were actually called Love or Death).

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Fiend View Post
    Humans are not Monotheistic. The Light is not a god, it is an abstract concept that reacts to emotions and thoughts.

    Saying you Worship the Light is more like saying you understand the concept of love than actually communing with a deity.
    Your Human Mage may not be Monotheistic, but mine is. Good day

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gothicshark View Post
    That is all RP flair, and I think it should be encouraged to build up a back story and personality of your character even if you do not RP.
    This is 2014.
    No RPG video game encourages you to build a character, merely to asign stats to either a permanently blank slate or a premade character.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Fiend View Post
    People in this thread are being both hilariously stupid while trying to sound educated and "new wave"

    As strange as it may sound, The Light is a religion with no god. It's a form of divine Humanism.

    People throwing the word atheist around in this thread is as stupid as a person wanting to play an athiest in DnD and then whining when I give him -4 int and wisdom.
    it's not divine humanism (no clue what that means) it's essentially a naturalistic religion or pantheism. which applies to every piece of magic in WoW; they're all technically real and tangible inside of WoW.

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    you'd think religion would be obsolete with how far science has come...it shouldn't be in a game, or real life. just causes problems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raybourne View Post
    your first sentence; follow it. the polytheists used to have gods for Love or courage or wisdom etc. (they were actually called Love or Death).
    They had gods OF Love, courage or wisdom. They governed are were beings of the aspect.

    But they were not the concept of love themselves.

    The Light is not a god, it's a fundamental force of the Warcraft universe. Is gravity a god?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lavaalamp View Post
    you'd think religion would be obsolete with how far science has come...it shouldn't be in a game, or real life. just causes problems.
    How dare fantasy games have religions and creeds. It's totally insane, especially in settings with actual gods!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raybourne View Post
    it's not divine humanism (no clue what that means) it's essentially a naturalistic religion or pantheism. which applies to every piece of magic in WoW; they're all technically real and tangible inside of WoW.
    No, it's not.

    Please, read up about the Light before you try to challenge me on a lore subject first.

    The Light is a spiritual force, not a purely physical one. There are no "Light elementals" and "Light planes of existence"
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    Quote Originally Posted by hypetrain View Post
    Bad Idea: Player Religion.
    See also: EverQuest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Fiend View Post
    People in this thread are being both hilariously stupid while trying to sound educated and "new wave"

    As strange as it may sound, The Light is a religion with no god. It's a form of divine Humanism.

    People throwing the word atheist around in this thread is as stupid as a person wanting to play an athiest in DnD and then whining when I give him -4 int and wisdom.
    As a D&D player, and a theist who leans towards agnosticism. I can redefine what an atheist is in a fantasy world were you can meet a deity. You should never punish a player for fully flushing out their character, to include their belief systems.


    In a fantasy world an Atheist is someone who doesn't believe a God is a divine being, they are merely a super-powerful being and if you are smart and lucky you might eventually become such a being as well.

    You can have the same word in a fantasy world have a slightly altered meaning. Since after all Common is not actually English, it just looks like your native language because it is the one you speak. The reality is Humans of Stormwind who speak 'Common' do not speak any language in our world. As such words like Atheism would have slightly different meanings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Fiend View Post
    This is 2014.
    No RPG video game encourages you to build a character, merely to asign stats to either a permanently blank slate or a premade character.
    This list disagrees with your statement.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massively_multiplayer_online_role-playing_games

    RPG means Role Playing Game. You take up the role of a character. Now in some games they will give you a full backstory, while other games will let you choose your backstory. ie Mass Effect. Building a Character is part of the core of a RPG.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gothicshark View Post
    As a D&D player, and a theist who leans towards agnosticism. I can redefine what an atheist is in a fantasy world were you can meet a deity. You should never punish a player for fully flushing out their character, to include their belief systems.


    In a fantasy world an Atheist is someone who doesn't believe a God is a divine being, they are merely a super-powerful being and if you are smart and lucky you might eventually become such a being as well.

    You can have the same word in a fantasy world have a slightly altered meaning. Since after all Common is not actually English, it just looks like your native language because it is the one you speak. The reality is Humans of Stormwind who speak 'Common' do not speak any language in our world. As such words like Atheism would have slightly different meanings.
    You don't quite scope what gods are in DnD do you?

    They're literal gods. They created the world mortals live in, they live in the Astral plane. Godhood is a real thing. an athiest in DnD has to be extremely stupid, or simply have another word for god.

    But that word is wrong, because they're fucking gods!
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Fiend View Post
    People in this thread are being both hilariously stupid while trying to sound educated and "new wave"

    As strange as it may sound, The Light is a religion with no god. It's a form of divine Humanism.

    People throwing the word atheist around in this thread is as stupid as a person wanting to play an athiest in DnD and then whining when I give him -4 int and wisdom.
    Pretty much nailed it. MMO-C's certainly the place for neckbeard atheists to showcase their pseudo-intellectualism, but this type of in-game implementation would bring out the annoying fiery sycophants as well.

    Sounds good in theory, but it'll be a rep grind or something meaningless. I mean, sure a vanity rep grind for neat little items might not be too bad, but I think I'd rather them work on different, more engaging content.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gothicshark View Post
    As a D&D player, and a theist who leans towards agnosticism. I can redefine what an atheist is in a fantasy world were you can meet a deity. You should never punish a player for fully flushing out their character, to include their belief systems.


    In a fantasy world an Atheist is someone who doesn't believe a God is a divine being, they are merely a super-powerful being and if you are smart and lucky you might eventually become such a being as well.

    You can have the same word in a fantasy world have a slightly altered meaning. Since after all Common is not actually English, it just looks like your native language because it is the one you speak. The reality is Humans of Stormwind who speak 'Common' do not speak any language in our world. As such words like Atheism would have slightly different meanings.

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    This list disagrees with your statement.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...-playing_games

    RPG means Role Playing Game. You take up the role of a character. Now in some games they will give you a full backstory, while other games will let you choose your backstory. ie Mass Effect. Building a Character is part of the core of a RPG.
    You don't build a character in MMOs, you build an Avatar. An aspect of stats that interacts with enemies by killing them, just like any video game.

    Mass effect doesn't have you build a character, it has you play a premade character using preset ideas and choices. You simply put the parts together to make one of very few characters you can assemble.
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    Bringing in "real" religion to any form of entertainment is always a bad idea.

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