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  1. #241
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    Removing loot from a Raid is the stupidest idea I have seen in a long time.

    LFR is RAIDING.

    Raiding has loot.
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  2. #242
    lfr is the main reason i kept playing for so long (unsubbed few months ago after clearing 3/4 flex).
    It got content for my unusual schedule i can't commit to every week with 100% so yes it's a very good feature and it is fun if you at least take the effort to be social and kind to eachother.

  3. #243
    Quote Originally Posted by ro9ue View Post
    So casual LFR raiders shouldn't get loot because some raiders are elitist pricks?
    It might not be the case of elitist pricks every time, just that they are forced to do LFR to stay competitive, when they don't want to and even good guys can lose it once in a while. Basically, to keep it short, for the good of the game, you can get loot but just not loot that could be usefull to a raider.

  4. #244
    Quote Originally Posted by Geish View Post
    you can get loot but just not loot that could be usefull to a raider.
    That is not possible without pissing off 75% of the wow playerbase.

    Removing loot from LFR because a small % want to not feel forced to do it is stupid. What blizzard needs to do is more stuff like TI so people have more choice's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Geish View Post
    Why do we need so much new art and voice acting and cut scenes in raids, when nobody has time to look at them.
    HC and Normal raiders will wipe a couple of times on certain bosses. Also having to visit the place once a week makes the enviroment and boss models important, since you'll be looking at them for quite a while, whereas questing zones nowadays.. you just pass by them in no time.

    LFR should actually look into that aspect of the raid more than any other difficulty, yet it doesn't because of the difficulty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geish View Post
    It might not be the case of elitist pricks every time, just that they are forced to do LFR to stay competitive, when they don't want to and even good guys can lose it once in a while. Basically, to keep it short, for the good of the game, you can get loot but just not loot that could be usefull to a raider.
    Aside from something like a much needed trinket or whatever, it, especially after the first tier, becomes far from required, remember, LFR has a later opening schedule.

  7. #247
    I totally agree gear should drop from LFR. But instead of having the designs of end game raiding, they should look appropriate for the skill requirements needed to do it.
    The gear should look like this:

    http://www.wowhead.com/item=65312
    http://www.wowhead.com/item=64511
    http://www.wowhead.com/item=15170

  8. #248
    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowpunkz View Post
    I totally agree gear should drop from LFR. But instead of having the designs of end game raiding, they should look appropriate for the skill requirements needed to do it.
    The gear should look like this:
    http://www.wowhead.com/item=65312
    http://www.wowhead.com/item=64511
    http://www.wowhead.com/item=15170
    LFR is endgame raiding the only difference that should be on Gear in LFR and the rest of the modes is the ilvl and at most set bonus's.

    Making gear look like that to LFR raiders is a slap in there face and the end result will be people unsubbing. This would be Blizzards version of what Bioware did to F2p members when SWTOR went f2p. To sum it up its a really stupid idea.

    Also still wouldn't fix the small % thinking LFR is a must. Like I said blizzard needs to give more ways to gear up and not just use LFR. They did well with TI this patch but it can be done a lot better.
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  9. #249
    Quote Originally Posted by Pancaspe View Post
    Removing loot from a Raid is the stupidest idea I have seen in a long time.

    LFR is RAIDING.

    Raiding has loot.
    LFR is far from raiding.....

    Ok, I agree that removal of gear is too much, but they should atleast tweak it. Change of rarity from epic to rare, less iL than anything that can be acquired from pre-made groups, or something in that way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowpunkz View Post
    I totally agree gear should drop from LFR. But instead of having the designs of end game raiding, they should look appropriate for the skill requirements needed to do it.
    The gear should look like this:

    http://www.wowhead.com/item=65312
    http://www.wowhead.com/item=64511
    http://www.wowhead.com/item=15170
    A hell of a lot more people do the easier forms of raiding than the harder, so maybe they should be the people to get the better/more time consuming art assets?

    Also ... transmog

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowpunkz View Post
    I totally agree gear should drop from LFR. But instead of having the designs of end game raiding, they should look appropriate for the skill requirements needed to do it.
    The gear should look like this:

    http://www.wowhead.com/item=65312
    http://www.wowhead.com/item=64511
    http://www.wowhead.com/item=15170
    A hell of a lot more people do the easier forms of raiding than the harder, so maybe they should be the people to get the better/more time consuming art assets?

    Also ... transmog

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    Yesh I would! I like to heal every now and then on my shaman and I usually sign up for a LFR then. : p

  12. #252
    Quote Originally Posted by Drekmar View Post
    LFR is far from raiding.....
    To raid in World of Warcraft you need a group of 6 or more. You can only fit 5 in a party to do a raid party you switch it to that setting and invite more. Therefor if I took 8 people to stormwind we just raided it.

    LFR is in fact raiding. Blizzard says its raiding and most boss's in LFR are harder then most normal older content boss's like Razorscale in Uld. So if LFR is not raiding due to how easy it is then raiding a lot of raids in Wrath or early'er raids isn't ether.

    You can state your opinion all you want but the FACT is that LFR is in FACT raiding.

    Blizzards game there word is final and they have said time and time again LFR is infact Raiding.
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  13. #253
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    LFR will be becoming a Tourist Mode, Remove the gear & if you want gear than you do Normals .

    Let the players control Raid Content, I would prbly just run LFR to test out UIs tweaks & stuff.

  14. #254
    Quote Originally Posted by Jtbrig7390 View Post
    To raid in World of Warcraft you need a group of 6 or more. You can only fit 5 in a party to do a raid party you switch it to that setting and invite more. Therefor if I took 8 people to stormwind we just raided it.

    LFR is in fact raiding. Blizzard says its raiding and most boss's in LFR are harder then most normal older content boss's like Razorscale in Uld. So if LFR is not raiding due to how easy it is then raiding a lot of raids in Wrath or early'er raids isn't ether.

    You can state your opinion all you want but the FACT is that LFR is in FACT raiding.

    Blizzards game there word is final and they have said time and time again LFR is infact Raiding.
    No! LFR is tourist mode for casual players to see content. People can clear LFR with 1 or 2 people Afk. That is not raiding!
    The gear should have different designs. And this should be the legendary drop from LFR raiding:

    http://www.wowhead.com/item=18233/

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    Last edited by Shadowpunkz; 2014-01-19 at 06:09 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drekmar View Post
    LFR is far from raiding......
    vs vanilla and tbc's nuke, avoid, nuke, avoid? >.<

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arbs View Post
    LFR will be becoming a Tourist Mode, Remove the gear & if you want gear than you do Normals .

    Let the players control Raid Content, I would prbly just run LFR to test out UIs tweaks & stuff.
    Then we could remove gear from flex and normals so we can pee off even more of the community ^-^

  16. #256
    It's still useful in seeing some of the basic mechanics of the fight, and at least seeing the content once is somewhat interesting. My guild doesn't always make it to the end of a raid. So doing LFR once or twice is still useful without drops.

  17. #257
    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowpunkz View Post
    No! LFR is tourist mode for casual players to see content. People can clear LFR with 1 or 2 people Afk. That is not raiding!
    The gear should have different designs. And this should be the legendary drop from LFR raiding:
    Once again your opinion dose not mean shit compared to FACT. LFR is raiding hell its in the name. Raiding is not defined by how easy it is to do it. If it was then Normal Mode would not be raiding ether since Heroic mode is harder.

    Your own logic dose not help your arguement and as I said this is Blizzards game not yours or mine. In Blizzards game they make the rules and say what is what. Therefor if they said LFR is raiding then its raiding. Your Opinion on the subject dose not matter or change this FACT.

    Also as I said it is a FACT LFR is a lot harder then most Wrath/TBC/Vanilla raid boss's therefor if LFR isn't raiding then neather is more of those.

    Not every fight in TBC was as hard as kel. Not every fight in Vanilla was as hard as C-thun and not every fight in Wrath was as hard as Yogg.
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  18. #258
    Quote Originally Posted by Rixis View Post
    Aside from something like a much needed trinket or whatever, it, especially after the first tier, becomes far from required, remember, LFR has a later opening schedule.
    Yeah, aside from the most wanted and important pieces besides weapon: trinket and set bonuses, it's totally not required.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frozenbeef View Post
    vs vanilla and tbc's nuke, avoid, nuke, avoid? >.<

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    Then we could remove gear from flex and normals so we can pee off even more of the community ^-^
    If you want to see content do LFR, you don't need gear to do that. LFR shouldn't be about getting gear, it should be about getting to SEE the content you think your entitled too.

    If you want gear than do Normal mode content.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jtbrig7390 View Post
    Once again your opinion dose not mean shit compared to FACT. LFR is raiding hell its in the name. Raiding is not defined by how easy it is to do it. If it was then Normal Mode would not be raiding ether since Heroic mode is harder.

    Your own logic dose not help your arguement and as I said this is Blizzards game not yours or mine. In Blizzards game they make the rules and say what is what. Therefor if they said LFR is raiding then its raiding. Your Opinion on the subject dose not matter or change this FACT.
    Raiding is an epic adventure! At least it always was for me..
    You want me to give you an equally epic adventure as a LFR raid. Ok man get ready for this:

    "Get up. Turn your TV on...then turn it off and come back to your pc/laptop/mac."

    There, I just made you have an epic quest as thrilling as a LFR adventure.
    Last edited by Shadowpunkz; 2014-01-19 at 06:16 PM.

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