You May Hate Obama, but at Least Obama's Trying

[Tydrane]

In politics, you don't get points for trying. At least, you shouldn't - increasingly, more idiots are voting based on appearances, not results. Ever heard the phrase "the road to hell is paved with good intentions"? It means that people sometimes meaning to or thinking that they are doing good are actually causing more damage.

[Felya]

In politics, you don't get points for trying. At least, you shouldn't - increasingly, more idiots are voting based on appearances, not results. Ever heard the phrase "the road to hell is paved with good intentions"? It means that people sometimes meaning to or thinking that they are doing good are actually causing more damage.

Politics is like horse shoe... As long as you are close...

[Osmeric]

The Tea Party might be more credible if they stopped prioritizing social issues over financial ones.

The Tea Party has always had deficit spending as its central issue. Of course the party is not a centralized thing. No one is in charge, so all sorts of side groups have attached to it. Social issues are not the focus, much as deficit-lovers might want to depict them as being so.

[Felya]

The Tea Party has always had deficit spending as its central issue. Of course the party is not a centralized thing. No one is in charge, so all sorts of side groups have attached to it. Social issues are not the focus, much as deficit-lovers might want to depict them as being so.

Does being in love with the deficits require personal awareness, or is this something you can only see peripherally?

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Of course the party is not a centralized thing. No one is in charge, so all sorts of side groups have attached to it.

Can I vote for a tea party member of democrat, Green Party or libertarian? I'm guessing by other groups you don't mean republicans... Do you think a caucus is centralizing?

[Durandro]

Any other President would of been impeached by now....

For what? Obeying the rules he has to follow, thus being unable to do anything while the Senate cockblocks him constantly, but using his right of veto to put a stop to any harmful plans his political opponants try to pull?

Come now. Even the biggest Bush critic never called for him to be impeached, despite the fact under his rule some of the worst crimes the USA has commited this century were brushed under the rug? Not liking a person isn't a reason to impeach!

[Osmeric]

Does being in love with the deficits require personal awareness, or is this something you can only see peripherally?

It involves feeding at the public trough, and putting ones own selfish interest above the collective good of the country.

Or, for politicians, it involves spending money now to buy votes, confident that the day of reckoning on the debt will be far enough in the future that some other politicians will deal with it.

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Can I vote for a tea party member of democrat, Green Party or libertarian? I'm guessing by other groups you don't mean republicans... Do you think a caucus is centralizing?

I don't know of any Democrat deficit hawks per se, but there are Democrats and Greens against military spending; you could vote for them.

It's a radical change that a substantial segment of the Republicans have come out against the neo-cons and become anti-interventionist. The need to reduce deficits means there's a need to reduce military spending. Obama miscalculated on this a while ago and got the sequester -- he thought the Republicans would not go along with something that reduced military spending.

[Maglen]

Article on Obama's use of Executive Order from a reputable source:

http://www.factcheck.org/2012/09/oba...cutive-orders/

"Obama has been sidestepping Congress through his “We Can’t Wait” initiative, a series of executive actions that he claims benefit the middle class through infrastructure projects and economic policy changes."

"In June(2012), the president halted deportations of illegal immigrants who entered the United States when they were children and met certain requirements, such as the lack of a criminal record. The change mirrored provisions of the DREAM Act — failed legislation that Obama supported and Senate Republicans blocked in 2010.

And in July(2012), Obama changed welfare policy to allow states to modify work requirements if they test new approaches to increasing employment. Obama did not submit the policy change to Congress for review, which the nonpartisan Government Accountability Office concluded he should have done."

So when he can't get his laws passed, he goes around congress to get them enacted. Have other presidents done it? Yes. Does it make it right? No.

[Orbitus]

Article on Obama's use of Executive Order from a reputable source:

http://www.factcheck.org/2012/09/oba...cutive-orders/

"Obama has been sidestepping Congress through his “We Can’t Wait” initiative, a series of executive actions that he claims benefit the middle class through infrastructure projects and economic policy changes."

"In June(2012), the president halted deportations of illegal immigrants who entered the United States when they were children and met certain requirements, such as the lack of a criminal record. The change mirrored provisions of the DREAM Act — failed legislation that Obama supported and Senate Republicans blocked in 2010.

And in July(2012), Obama changed welfare policy to allow states to modify work requirements if they test new approaches to increasing employment. Obama did not submit the policy change to Congress for review, which the nonpartisan Government Accountability Office concluded he should have done."

So when he can't get his laws passed, he goes around congress to get them enacted. Have other presidents done it? Yes. Does it make it right? No.

Dunno how your source helps you, it pretty much says nothing that you quoted.

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It involves feeding at the public trough, and putting ones own selfish interest above the collective good of the country.

Or, for politicians, it involves spending money now to buy votes, confident that the day of reckoning on the debt will be far enough in the future that some other politicians will deal with it.

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I don't know of any Democrat deficit hawks per se, but there are Democrats and Greens against military spending; you could vote for them.

It's a radical change that a substantial segment of the Republicans have come out against the neo-cons and become anti-interventionist. The need to reduce deficits means there's a need to reduce military spending. Obama miscalculated on this a while ago and got the sequester -- he thought the Republicans would not go along with something that reduced military spending.

The sequester was both sides idea. But Obama wanted a scalpel to cut spending not a chainsaw across the board on everything, that was the Republicans doing to try to make Obama look bad because they filibustered any attempt to get an actual Budget committee.

[Osmeric]

The sequester was both sides idea. But Obama wanted a scalpel to cut spending not a chainsaw across the board on everything, that was the Republicans doing to try to make Obama look bad because they filibustered any attempt to get an actual Budget committee.

Obama went along with the sequester because he thought the Republicans wouldn't swallow it, and was rudely shocked when they did. He outsmarted himself.

[Orbitus]

Obama went along with the sequester because he thought the Republicans wouldn't swallow it, and was rudely shocked when they did. He outsmarted himself.

Who's ass did you pull this out of? Or should I even ask for a source?

[Osmeric]

Who's ass did you pull this out of? Or should I even ask for a source?

Do you not remember how violently the president tried to blame the republicans for the sequester last year? All the apocalyptic language about what it would do? He thought it would be unacceptable and force the republicans to accept tax increases. It wasn't the plan for it to go into effect.

[Atrea]

So when he can't get his laws passed, he goes around congress to get them enacted. Have other presidents done it? Yes. Does it make it right? No.

It is power the President derives directly from the Constitution. One could even argue that these powers were given to the President for this very reason.

Obama isn't the first President to issue an Executive Order -- every President in history has done it at least once, and essentially every President since Ulysses S. Grant has done it hundreds (sometimes even thousands) of times. It's basically how the President enacts changes. It's the way they get things done.

You don't have to agree with what his choices are -- but they are basically what he was elected to do, so enough people do.
Democracy still happens, even if it doesn't happen how you want it.

[Wildtree]

They do not want to be "mediocre" with the rest of the world as you describe. They want a return to economic, domestic, and social policies at the time when the United States was the unquestioned leader of the free world.

Dream on
Though its hard to tell
Though youre foolin yourself
Dream on

There is really no wonder, why many Americans are considered brainwashed..
NEVER at any given point in time was the USA the undisputed leader of the free world. Period!
That's a contradiction of the term itself.. FREE WORLD..... We don't need no fucking leader, we are free.

When I hear idiocy like that, I see that typical party scene.....
Big party at some house, with lots of people having fun. Dancing, singing what not. Then there comes that one guy, all hyped up, and of course a little late to the show. He storms in the middle of the room, screams and yells around, desperately trying to get the attention, to animate and interrupt, to run the party...
Everyone then just stares a him, some amused about him, some annoyed.
Then the comments go like
"who the fuck is that"?
"someone tell him to shut the fuck up?"
And from somewhere in the back you hear "Can someone please get that asshole out of here?"

That's the metaphor I can picture... The house is the world, the people are the free world. The one guy late, that's the USA..

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Article on Obama's use of Executive Order from a reputable source:

http://www.factcheck.org/2012/09/oba...cutive-orders/

"Obama has been sidestepping Congress through his “We Can’t Wait” initiative, a series of executive actions that he claims benefit the middle class through infrastructure projects and economic policy changes."

"In June(2012), the president halted deportations of illegal immigrants who entered the United States when they were children and met certain requirements, such as the lack of a criminal record. The change mirrored provisions of the DREAM Act — failed legislation that Obama supported and Senate Republicans blocked in 2010.

And in July(2012), Obama changed welfare policy to allow states to modify work requirements if they test new approaches to increasing employment. Obama did not submit the policy change to Congress for review, which the nonpartisan Government Accountability Office concluded he should have done."

So when he can't get his laws passed, he goes around congress to get them enacted. Have other presidents done it? Yes. Does it make it right? No.

Alrighty.... Before you read an article, and get all fired up and upset about it, as if someone stole you favorite pillow, try to research the matter.
If you do, you will find out how Obama's EOs are standard procedure, and that they are in the news is but an attempt ( a stupid one at that even) to fire up those that are uneducated, against him.. Obama is amongst those presidents who've ordered fewer EOs.

Plus this is how things are getting done...
See, lets take ANY matter that has to be solved, but does not move forward at all. Many matters cannot move forward because the Speaker of the House has the power to decide on which issue gets voted and on which gets not voted. There's the first roadblock...... And there are more.
Congress doesn't do shit at all... You should be pissed at congress, not at the President.
Now what the President does is, to move ahead with EO's.
What does he achieve? He forces congress into action, by kicking off the democratic cycle... Because now congress MUST act, otherwise the EO stands..

[cubby]

There is really no wonder, why many Americans are considered brainwashed..
NEVER at any given point in time was the USA the undisputed leader of the free world. Period!
That's a contradiction of the term itself.. FREE WORLD..... We don't need no fucking leader, we are free.

When you don't understand a phrase, you only embarrass yourself by commenting on it.