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  1. #321
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    Quote Originally Posted by Miuku View Post
    I've said it before and I'll say it again - the level of addiction and completely blind, mindless Blizzard defence on these forums is equal to some of the worst drug addicted people I have met in my life.

    I should do a gradu on you people if I go back to studying psych some day.
    Aye.

    I still enjoy the game (stuff still to do I guess) but only still playing as a few friends have recentley returned.

    I am sick of not being able to constructively criticise something I have played for years (and have a good working knowledge of) because of Blizzard's fanatical zealots.

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    Ahhhh, I remember 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 when i was on these forums...Threads about "wow is dead", "wow is too expensive", blablabla....was already on there at that time....

    Now, 2014 the threads are just the same yet WOW lost half their subscribers. See...what you guys say/think/do doesn't affect the subs....people come and go, in every game...

    Just play & enjoy while it lasts!
    It's like we are all Red Jelly Beans in a Jar full of various colors. Every now and then they reach in and get a Red Jelly Bean.
    We know we are in there, we can see the color, we just can't do anything to speed up our being taken out of the jar -- Jelly Beans can't speak.

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    So we are in a half-free situation now. The subscription fee is relatively a small amount of money and Blizzard won't raise the price. So the way to manage this is that Blizzard adds in-game store and various kinds of services. All the mounts and pets are helping to contribute to annual income, however one day Blizzard will provide some kinds of services that players can buy and sell gears. Blizzard is careful to make any movements but when the market is in depression and players get used to game store step by step, it won't be hard for them to accept gears trade and other kinds of "free to play" elements.
    Last edited by billielecter; 2014-01-22 at 09:55 AM.

  4. #324
    Those are quite some staggering numbers indeed.

    Wow offers a diverse array of microtransactions from the item shop (pets / mounts / vanity gear) to character services (char migrations / race changes / name changes etc)

    Quote Originally Posted by MoanaLisa View Post
    No source for this but I would probably be one of the least surprised people here if they suddenly announced they were extending the free trial version from level 20 to 80 someday. They'll need some more stuff in the store to do this--all of which will bring down the wrath of the forum types--but if you look at what they're doing with CRZ/connected realms and a lot of other things one might presume that they're looking ahead to a day when they have 15-20 million people playing again. They won't get there just on subscriptions. Looked at that way, even the store 90's make sense. Keep end game like it is now but put most of the rest of the game as F2P is a discussable proposition.
    That sounds quite plausible. I mean even if they make the trial account fee to level 60, people would come just to experience level 60 content only, since it would be free.

  5. #325
    Quote Originally Posted by billielecter View Post
    So we are in a half-free situation now.
    How on bloody earth did you manage to calculate:

    box cost + subscription + microtransactions = half-free?

  6. #326
    Quote Originally Posted by Ronduwil View Post
    And the software maintaining that process just fixes itself every time a patch breaks it, right? The computer it runs on automatically ensures it's always running the latest OS patches and incorporating the latest security updates. It also periodically upgrades itself as needed. Computers don't cost a dime, and that's why we all have dozens of them laying around.
    The first mount they put in their web store generated 2 million dollars in the first two hours. Those costs are nothing compared to what they make. Stop being so naive...

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    I'm glad they are making so much money! Blizzard gives us great games, and I want them to continue doing so.
    I can't wait until they give us the option of buying level 100 chars/gold!

  8. #328
    Quote Originally Posted by evilman View Post
    I Googled it and saw that it was a game made in Korea and i stopped reading after that cause thats al i needed to know.
    Koreans can be crazy about their games so if the game is big in Korea then that amount of money isnt that strange.
    Ahhh Korea.

    A place where you can go and create a game of great sub-par quality in which the players (this is the good part) come home form work to perform more work. While being wildly successful from nickle-and-dime schemes that plunder their actually hard earned cash!

    And that is why I don't touch Korean games. Hell, I don't touch Asian-based MMOs period anymore. Even FFXIV has the symptoms of sorry ass support and strange 3rd party structuring which are prevailing features in products from that part of the world.
    Last edited by Kelliak; 2014-01-22 at 01:22 PM.

  9. #329
    World of Warcraft should never go F2P.
    We span the universe, as countless as the stars!
    No force on this world or beyond harbors the strength to bend our knee... not even the mighty legion!

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    426.000.000 $ in 2013

    WHAT?
    Quote Originally Posted by Boubouille
    You're full of shit honey.

  11. #331
    If they're going to sell things to the players through a shop, they need to give the players a way to get those items in game without paying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smece View Post
    I never thought these numbers could be so huge.
    Is it finally time for WoW to go ftp?
    With 7 million active subscribers, this indicates $30 spent, on average per subscriber in a 1 year period.
    Subscriptions bring in $150 per subscriber in a 1 year period.

  13. #333
    The store is extra money for them, and they deserve it. Why suggest going F2P when theyve earned what theyve made.

  14. #334
    Quote Originally Posted by Raelbo View Post
    With 7 million active subscribers, this indicates $30 spent, on average per subscriber in a 1 year period.
    Subscriptions bring in $150 per subscriber in a 1 year period.
    First of all the active subscriber count isn't even close to 7 million.

    But to get to that 213 million number, this mythical 7 million still needs to spend $30 a year on Blizzard store crap. Something sounds off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smece View Post

    Is it finally time for WoW to go ftp?

    It's like you have no business sense.

    Blizzard makes millions of dollars from their subscription and you're seriously suggesting they throw that away so they can make significantly less by being F2P ?

    You're fired from what ever business you own now, may own in the future or work for.

  16. #336
    Quote Originally Posted by Avendesera View Post
    The store is extra money for them, and they deserve it. Why suggest going F2P when theyve earned what theyve made.
    lol how do they deserve it? You realize they could probably release the ugliest mounts/pets ever and most would suck them up for the sake of collecting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rated View Post
    It's like you have no business sense.

    Blizzard makes millions of dollars from their subscription and you're seriously suggesting they throw that away so they can make significantly less by being F2P ?

    You're fired from what ever business you own now, may own in the future or work for.
    You do realise that a F2P Wow has the potential to bring in a A LOT more players right? All ready to buy shit from the store.

  18. #338
    They probably make around a 1 billion from subs...so even though this number is huge...it's only around 1/5th of what they make off subs. They're not going to go F2P anytime soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brandon138 View Post
    If they're going to sell things to the players through a shop, they need to give the players a way to get those items in game without paying.
    Like what exactly?

    There over 250 mounts in the game.
    There are nearly 600 pets in the game.
    There are thousands of helm models in the game for transmog.


    Not saying they should stop adding new mounts, pets and armour models, just pointing out that I don't think they withheld any in game rewards for the shop items.

  20. #340
    Quote Originally Posted by Farora View Post
    You do realise that a F2P Wow has the potential to bring in a A LOT more players right? All ready to buy shit from the store.
    It would likely also lose them a ton of core subs who have been paying them for years.

    I know a lot of people who retch at the thought of playing f2p mmo's, simply because of the reduced focus on fun gameplay and increased focus on monetization and incentive to buy in.

    i rather pay my sub and have blizz create content i like, expansions etc. Without them having to go to a great deal of analytics, in order to implement a monetization model that will pay for the content, and future content.

    SWTOR hasn't had a real expansion in 3 years now. It's simply not financially responsible in a f2p framework, you cant be sure that your massive amount of work will turn into $$$.
    Subscriptions are stable. If you can develop an expansion solely from subs. You can release that expansion without having to monetize it further, or rely on x amount of players to buy x amount of xp potions, gear packs or whatever.

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