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    Quote Originally Posted by Gps View Post
    I dont get why people are going crazy over the new models. We put armor over our characters and zoom all the way out. Its not like you'll prob notice any difference.
    - Some people RP in gear other than armor. Physical traits are more noticeable
    - Bank alts are usually in casual wear
    - Platekinis will look better on newer models
    - Lap dances in Goldshire on Moonguard are sure to feel more realistic
    - Emotes and animations were long overdue for an improvement
    - Gnomish ENG - X-ray specs

    ...and the list goes on. The human condition: assuming it matters to no one, if it doesn't matter to you. I hate the color green. Some people hate every color BUT green. 7M players means at least a couple hundred thousand just won't care about the upgrades, while those of us who are involved and vested in our characters, and have taken the time to personalize them, are looking forward to enhancements.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SL1200 View Post
    Again, look at the front page, they BARELY look different. It's a waste of time at the expense of real content. It's not worth it. It's cataclysm all over again.


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    OP's logic is : What does it matter to have any race? Let's just have on race and fight mobs that looks the same, because it doesn't matter!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SL1200 View Post
    Again, look at the front page, they BARELY look different. It's a waste of time at the expense of real content. It's not worth it. It's cataclysm all over again.
    A) Wrong, there is an enormous jump in model quality.
    B) One dude rebuilt the human female with feedback from two other art devs.
    C) These rebuilds were a long time coming, the Vanilla and BC races are pissugly, and given Warlords of Draenor is slated to have orcs and draenei everywhere, it was a golden opportunity to rebuild.
    D) It's not like they pull people from the raid design, world design, PvP design, or quest design teams to build these models. This is, again, like one guy on the art team building a model with feedback from a couple others; so worst-case scenario that's all of 20 guys working on the models (one each for each race and gender, which I find unlikely as-is) and the rest are building Draenor, dungeon and raid environments, boss models, and gear models, and once a given race is done being built, it gets sent to the animators (a whole different team), and the model guys are back on the assembly line.

    That is a far cry from rebuilding an entire world for 60 levels of content, and even if it weren't, too bad. Roleplayers haven't had any honest content since transmog, so it's our turn this go-round.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xilurm View Post
    You obviously need glasses.
    Yeah, now zoom out until both faces are 20x20 pixels, and put a helm on each. So much difference...

    They are different, yes. The point is, that's something you'll look at once, say "cool", then forget. As I said, they are doing these models mostly for new players who are largely put off by WoW graphics since other games are much more stunning, graphics-wise - especially when it comes to models. The new models are there so that less new players exit right on the character creation stage (have you seen character creation in other games? yeah...). During the actual gameplay, you won't see too many differences.

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    It's actually Socrates, but assuming you're from the US, of course Lincoln and Washington invented everything from fire to toasters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rda View Post
    Yeah, now zoom out until both faces are 20x20 pixels, and put a helm on each. So much difference...

    They are different, yes. The point is, that's something you'll look at once, say "cool", then forget. As I said, they are doing these models mostly for new players who are largely put off by WoW graphics since other games are much more stunning, graphics-wise - especially when it comes to models. The new models are there so that less new players exit right on the character creation stage (have you seen character creation in other games? yeah...). During the actual gameplay, you won't see too many differences.
    Speak for yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rda View Post
    Yeah, now zoom out until both faces are 20x20 pixels, and put a helm on each. So much difference...

    They are different, yes. The point is, that's something you'll look at once, say "cool", then forget. As I said, they are doing these models mostly for new players who are largely put off by WoW graphics since other games are much more stunning, graphics-wise - especially when it comes to models. The new models are there so that less new players exit right on the character creation stage (have you seen character creation in other games? yeah...). During the actual gameplay, you won't see too many differences.
    Like someone else said before me, people like to project their own views/opinions onto the majority, thinking that everyone feels like they do. I look at my character a lot, checking out my gear, or perhaps things I could improve on the look, or just looking at my char because it's part of my immersion into the game world. Transmogs have been so popular because people like to have their char look good. A better looking model is an extention of that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Inshabel View Post
    I don't give a rats ass about PvP, do I give Blizzard flak for including new Battlegrounds, Arena's or PvP sets? Or for changing PvE to accomodate PvP balance? No, because I'm not a spoiled 12 year old that thinks the world revolves around me, try to realize that many people play WoW for completely different reasons than you and that this is a change that many people have been asking for for many years, instead try being happy that you will get improved animations and the fact that Blizzard is giving a large portion of the playerbase what they want.
    This right here ends the thread. Creator of this thread is seeing things only through their own eyes, failing to see that others exist in the game with much different reasons for playing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rda View Post
    Yeah, now zoom out until both faces are 20x20 pixels, and put a helm on each. So much difference...

    They are different, yes. The point is, that's something you'll look at once, say "cool", then forget. As I said, they are doing these models mostly for new players who are largely put off by WoW graphics since other games are much more stunning, graphics-wise - especially when it comes to models. The new models are there so that less new players exit right on the character creation stage (have you seen character creation in other games? yeah...). During the actual gameplay, you won't see too many differences.
    And what about those of us who use ENG goggles, or no helm at all? I know you believe your opinion to be the only one, and right one at that, but there are 6M other people in the game who might not have your exact same point of view. So before telling someone else how wrong they are, imagine them telling you how wrong you are for the way YOU play the game. #enlightenment

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    cant believe there are people that dont care about having new character models. its really blowing my mind right now. even zoomed out max your characters animations will be better and the character itself will feel updated. its not just about what the eyes and cheeks look like....
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    Quote Originally Posted by rda View Post
    Yeah, now zoom out until both faces are 20x20 pixels, and put a helm on each. So much difference...
    I don't want to put a helm on them because the helmets are largely ridiculous looking shit.

    During the actual gameplay, you won't see too many differences.
    New animations is many differences. What doesn't matter is leaving us with 10 year old models and focusing all effort and time to tend to the colic of raiders bitching about "re-hashes".
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    Quote Originally Posted by rda View Post
    Yeah, now zoom out until both faces are 20x20 pixels, and put a helm on each. So much difference...

    They are different, yes. The point is, that's something you'll look at once, say "cool", then forget. As I said, they are doing these models mostly for new players who are largely put off by WoW graphics since other games are much more stunning, graphics-wise - especially when it comes to models. The new models are there so that less new players exit right on the character creation stage (have you seen character creation in other games? yeah...). During the actual gameplay, you won't see too many differences.
    Roleplayers are also well-served by this upgrade. Not everyone wears concealing armor or keeps helmets on or zooms the camera out. Outside raiding, I keep my camera zoomed in and play the game like a third-person RPG a la Dragon Age: Origins or Mass Effect, so the new models will have an extremely visible impact on my game experience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimmyHellfire View Post
    Speak for yourself.
    OK, maybe what I said came out too strong. Sorry for that. I take this: "that's something you'll look at once, say "cool", then forget" back, I accept there are people who will take a lot more enjoyment out of the new models than looking once. I stand by my other point though, that they are doing these models mostly so that less new players exit right on the character creation stage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ballantines View Post
    It's actually Socrates, but assuming you're from the US, of course Lincoln and Washington invented everything from fire to toasters.
    I'd imagine that it's often misattributed to Lincoln because he popularized the quote over here--most people on the street probably don't know Socrates from a sock in the drawer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rda View Post
    OK, maybe what I said came out too strong. Sorry for that. I take this: "that's something you'll look at once, say "cool", then forget" back, I accept there are people who will take a lot more enjoyment out of the new models than looking once. I stand by my other point though, that they are doing these models mostly so that less new players exit right on the character creation stage.
    I'd imagine it's a bit of both--to draw in people who leave because the Vanilla Eight and the Draenei/Blood Elves are low-poly ugliness right now, and to throw the players who focus on character aesthetics (not all of whom are necessarily roleplayers) a bone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Callei View Post
    I'd imagine that it's often misattributed to Lincoln because he popularized the quote over here--most people on the street probably don't know Socrates from a sock in the drawer.

    - - - Updated - - -

    I'd imagine it's a bit of both--to draw in people who leave because the Vanilla Eight and the Draenei/Blood Elves are low-poly ugliness right now, and to throw the players who focus on character aesthetics (not all of whom are necessarily roleplayers) a bone.
    So Callei, regarding feedback from female gamers, I looked at the figures in the link you shared.

    http://wow.joystiq.com/2009/04/09/ni...25-54-females/

    This article distorts the figures. So firstly, 1.8 million people played WoW in North America at the time of this article whereas only 400 000 females did. Secondly, female gamers outnumber male gamers in PC games but they mostly play games like Farmville.

    This is actually relevant to this topic. In terms of numbers, male feedback is more important than female feedback.

    I can't wait to see the Night Elf female models. I wonder if Blizzard will keep the large breasts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gps View Post
    I dont get why people are going crazy over the new models. We put armor over our characters and zoom all the way out. Its not like you'll prob notice any difference.
    1. The old models, being 10 years old, look fucking terrible (especially at the character select screen when you are deciding between panda/worgen/goblin and everything else).

    2. Even with gear on, you can still see the lack of definition and polygons through the shape of the model. Most armor is just a skin (except shoulders/helms) and doesn't actually change the shape of the models.
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    Why? Because fuck you, that's why.

    Every time you have a question that begins with "Why?" that is about what other people prefer to do with their own goddamn time, come back here, and reread the first row of this post. That will ALWAYS be the answer to your question. Have a nice day.

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    I'm a roleplayer, so it's going to be great for me.

    Whether or not you agree it's a good thing, Blizzard obviously thinks it is; and it's happening.
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    You obviously need glasses.
    this. lol funny ppl...cata world rewamp was a super thing..leveling and storyline + its continuing the story is just perfect...was to much fun...much better then tryling like me leveling a hunter 3 times to lvl 12 coz i couldent get any further coz or i had no errows to fight mobs or always dying coz out of mana

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garian View Post
    So Callei, regarding feedback from female gamers, I looked at the figures in the link you shared.

    http://wow.joystiq.com/2009/04/09/ni...25-54-females/

    This article distorts the figures. So firstly, 1.8 million people played WoW in North America at the time of this article whereas only 400 000 females did. Secondly, female gamers outnumber male gamers in PC games but they mostly play games like Farmville.
    "And even more interesting, females 25 years or older make up the largest block of PC game players overall, and they account for 54.6% of all gameplay minutes in December of last year. Girls don't just play WoW -- they're quickly becoming one of it's main demographics."

    Thanks for playing.

    And I like how you keep going back to Farmville, but refuse to provide any proof while I offered a source for my argument.

    This is actually relevant to this topic. In terms of numbers, male feedback is more important than female feedback.
    Your sexism is showing.

    I can't wait to see the Night Elf female models. I wonder if Blizzard will keep the large breasts.
    Night elf females aren't buxom. Far from it--they've got some of the smallest breast sizes in proportion to the model in the game, with maybe female gnomes and female trolls beating them out.

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