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    I preach meatism while wearing my bacon basket weave robes and proudly holding my cow leg scepter up for all to behold..
    8 year olds Dude.

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    Quote Originally Posted by obdigore View Post
    Because the word vegetarian means no meat or lack of meat? Both fish and eggs fall under the meat category?
    If eggs are non vegetarian ejalculation is genocide.

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    I preach meatism while wearing my bacon basket weave robes and proudly holding my cow leg scepter up for all to behold..
    Well then you deseve some vegan counter preacher then you can preach at each other the whole day.
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    The real reason you don't see news like this in your country is because your country has uneducated and piss poor criminals, and don't commit crimes worthy of news, or your media chooses not to report it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Velaniz View Post
    Not eggs. They'd be in the same category as milk. They're animal products, but not flesh tissue. Both are more practical to 'ethically' acquire than actual meat.
    Oddly almost everywhere I can see that categorize eggs categorize them as meat, not dairy.
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    So if the states get together and work with the Legislative Branch to write an amendment to the federal constitution, you think the Judiciary (SCOTUS) could strike it down for being 'unconstitutional'?
    Uh...yes. Absolutely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Algathor View Post
    You did and that is why I even bothered replying. General statements are always bad and are very prevalent in talk about small portions of humanity.
    Well, I don't really try to generalize. Usually I find that to be a given when I write stuff, but I guess I sometimes forget how the internet can be to people. At least things are cleared up now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by obdigore View Post

    Because the word vegetarian means no meat or lack of meat? Both fish and eggs fall under the meat category?
    Technically yes, but when the vast majority of people say they are vegetarian, they do not mean "no meat", they mean "no animal that is or has been alive". An unfertilized egg is not an animal. You have those who go into the specifics, but it is rarely the case when talking about vegetarianism. Did you only learn about vegetarians from the internet or something?

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    Quote Originally Posted by obdigore View Post
    Oddly almost everywhere I can see that categorize eggs categorize them as meat, not dairy.
    They sit right next to all the dairy products in Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina and Georgia in every supermarket I have been in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bantokar View Post
    I preach meatism while wearing my bacon basket weave robes and proudly holding my cow leg scepter up for all to behold..


    ?
    Quote Originally Posted by Davillage View Post
    If eggs are non vegetarian ejalculation is genocide.
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    So all vegans want to kill animals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Algathor View Post
    Technically yes, but when the vast majority of people say they are vegetarian, they do not mean "no meat", they mean "no animal that is or has been alive". An unfertilized egg is not an animal. You have those who go into the specifics, but it is rarely the case when talking about vegetarianism. Did you only learn about vegetarians from the internet or something?
    Nope, from a few family members who try to 'make me see the light' but still suck down eggs and fish like they are candy. Fat vegetarians are sad, sad people.
    They sit right next to all the dairy products in both Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina and Georgia in every supermarket I have been in.
    So is yogurt and orange juice and refrigerated bread dough and pasta. I guess those are all dairy too? Sorry, I trust the USDA classification over what you see in a supermarket.
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    Quote Originally Posted by obdigore View Post
    So if the states get together and work with the Legislative Branch to write an amendment to the federal constitution, you think the Judiciary (SCOTUS) could strike it down for being 'unconstitutional'?
    Uh...yes. Absolutely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by obdigore View Post
    Nope, from a few family members who try to 'make me see the light' but still suck down eggs and fish like they are candy. Fat vegetarians are sad, sad people.

    So is yogurt and orange juice and refrigerated bread dough and pasta. I guess those are all dairy too? Sorry, I trust the USDA classification over what you see in a supermarket.
    The same people who gave us that wonderful food pyramid?
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    Quote Originally Posted by obdigore View Post
    So is yogurt and orange juice and refrigerated bread dough and pasta. I guess those are all dairy too? Sorry, I trust the USDA classification over what you see in a supermarket.
    Do you support abortion? Because unfertilized eggs are for sure less life than that.
    Quote Originally Posted by obdigore View Post
    Nope, from a few family members who try to 'make me see the light' but still suck down eggs and fish like they are candy..
    Tell them that fish would scream if they could or some shit.
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    The real reason you don't see news like this in your country is because your country has uneducated and piss poor criminals, and don't commit crimes worthy of news, or your media chooses not to report it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by obdigore View Post
    Nope, from a few family members who try to 'make me see the light' but still suck down eggs and fish like they are candy. Fat vegetarians are sad, sad people.

    So is yogurt and orange juice and refrigerated bread dough and pasta. I guess those are all dairy too? Sorry, I trust the USDA classification over what you see in a supermarket.
    That is kind of the point here, you are harping too much on internet definitions of something while the common definition varies far from the internet one.(aka the correct classification most of the time) What you are doing with eggs here is akin to correcting someone saying they have a theory by calling it a hypothesis, at best.

    Also, just as those other people just said, I have never, ever heard of vegetarianism just being "not eating meat" except from those who are meaning "meat from a living or once living animal."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quetzl View Post
    Why do we have a moral imperative to minimize nonhuman suffering?
    Similiar reasons for why we should minimize human suffering. The fact that it doesn't benefit us as directly shouldn't be of much consequence. Humanity doesn't function on that kind of per-need basis. There is no reason not to endeavor to minimize the suffering of any creature that can feel it, human or otherwise. Discriminating against animals on account of their species is an underhanded attempt to justify what's almost inherently a flawed position.

    You wouldn't kill and consume an alien lifeform that was of similiar intelligence to humans, but of a very different species, would you? So clearly an organism's mere species shouldn't factor into it. What factors does that leave you to decide on a course of action over, then? Intelligence? Why does intelligence inherently confer a creature with rights? You wouldn't kill a mentally-retarded person who had even less cognitive capabilities than an animal. That is illegal, and thankfully so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vizardlorde View Post
    According to some fish is not a meat, I find it baffling.
    It is amazing how crazy some people are. And the "funny" part is that eating fish is far more taxing on our world then eating meat. You can't really keep fish as you keep cows and other cattle. Over fishing is a really big problem and if it continues, soon the sea's will be almost empty.
    And if people did not eat meat allot more species would be on the brink of extinction, because why breed cows, chickens and other animals if your not going to eat them or keep them as pets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Algathor View Post
    That is kind of the point here, you are harping too much on internet definitions of something while the common definition varies far from the internet one.(aka the correct classification most of the time) What you are doing with eggs here is akin to correcting someone saying they have a theory by calling it a hypothesis, at best.

    Also, just as those other people just said, I have never, ever heard of vegetarianism just being "not eating meat" except from those who are meaning "meat from a living or once living animal."
    So what you are saying is the way you use the word 'vegetarianism' isn't the actual definition, or what is used by say the government or large organizations, and we should all change how we use it to match you because you are right?

    Excellent. I'll do that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by obdigore View Post
    So if the states get together and work with the Legislative Branch to write an amendment to the federal constitution, you think the Judiciary (SCOTUS) could strike it down for being 'unconstitutional'?
    Uh...yes. Absolutely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PizzaSHARK View Post
    The same people who gave us that wonderful food pyramid?
    The food pyramid that tells you to eat meat only a few times a week? I think that one is wonderful.
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    If eggs are non vegetarian ejalculation is genocide.
    Quote Originally Posted by Elim Garak View Post
    So all vegans want to kill animals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Velaniz View Post
    Similiar reasons for why we should minimize nonhuman suffering. The fact that it doesn't benefit us as directly shouldn't be of much consequence. Humanity doesn't function on that kind of per-need basis. There is no reason not to endeavor to minimize the suffering of any creature that can feel it, human or otherwise. Discriminating against animals on account of their species is an underhanded attempt to justify what's almost inherently a flawed position.

    You wouldn't kill and consume an alien lifeform that was of similiar intelligence to humans, but of a very different species, would you? So clearly an organism's mere species shouldn't factor into it. What factors does that leave you to decide on a course of action over, then? Intelligence? Why does intelligence inherently confer a creature with rights? You wouldn't kill a mentally-retarded person who had even less cognitive capabilities than an animal. That is illegal, and thankfully so.
    I normally just put it as this:

    I really would not want an alien species to come to the planet and inflict unneeded suffering onto us simply because they could and viewed us as less intelligent than them. If I would feel this way if it happened to humans, why should I feel differently when it is humans doing it to something else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackPyramid View Post
    The food pyramid that tells you to eat meat only a few times a week? I think that one is wonderful.
    Naw, the one I grew up with that said we needed 6-11 servings of complex carbohydrates every damn day
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    I also do landscaping on weekends with some mexican kid that I "hired". He's real good because he's 100% obedient to me and does everything I say while never complaining. He knows that I am the man in the relationship and is completely submissive towards me as he should be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by obdigore View Post
    So what you are saying is the way you use the word 'vegetarianism' isn't the actual definition, or what is used by say the government or large organizations, and we should all change how we use it to match you because you are right?

    Excellent. I'll do that.
    That version of vegetarianism isn't even used by most large organizations lol. Did you miss the sentence that I quoted from the thing you linked?

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    Quote Originally Posted by obdigore View Post
    So what you are saying is the way you use the word 'vegetarianism' isn't the actual definition, or what is used by say the government or large organizations, and we should all change how we use it to match you because you are right?

    Excellent. I'll do that.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vegetarianism
    "Vegetarianism is the practice of abstaining from the consumption of meat – red meat, poultry, seafood and the flesh of any other animal; it may also include abstention from by-products of animal slaughter.[2][3][4][5]"

    vegetarian
    "a person who does not eat meat or fish, and sometimes other animal products, especially for moral, religious, or health reasons."
    http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/de...ish/vegetarian

    Quote Originally Posted by PizzaSHARK View Post
    Naw, the one I grew up with that said we needed 6-11 servings of complex carbohydrates every damn day
    Was it written by a Hobbit?
    Quote Originally Posted by Regard View Post
    The real reason you don't see news like this in your country is because your country has uneducated and piss poor criminals, and don't commit crimes worthy of news, or your media chooses not to report it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Algathor View Post
    I normally just put it as this:

    I really would not want an alien species to come to the planet and inflict unneeded suffering onto us simply because they could and viewed us as less intelligent than them. If I would feel this way if it happened to humans, why should I feel differently when it is humans doing it to something else.
    I read a sci-fi short story sort of about that kind of concept. One sapient race was eating another sapient race, because the eaters were more intelligent than the others (think humans compared to, like, a race of chimps that all knew sign language.)

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    Was it written by a Hobbit?
    No, but it's from about the same time period as that The Hobbit cartoon movie!
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    I also do landscaping on weekends with some mexican kid that I "hired". He's real good because he's 100% obedient to me and does everything I say while never complaining. He knows that I am the man in the relationship and is completely submissive towards me as he should be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Algathor View Post
    I normally just put it as this:

    I really would not want an alien species to come to the planet and inflict unneeded suffering onto us simply because they could and viewed us as less intelligent than them. If I would feel this way if it happened to humans, why should I feel differently when it is humans doing it to something else.
    Exactly this. Or stamp us out because they want land to make space for themselves 'because they're doing it to survive' when there's Mars and Venus so close by.
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