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    Quote Originally Posted by Hannival View Post
    You must have a kind guild then if they let you play a shitty spec while progressing (yes, fury IS that much better with that gear).

    And no, you won`t outdamage fury on the aoe-heavy encounters either. Do please show logs of the top warriors playing arms, EVER, in 25man hc progression?

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    Yeah well whatever you "believe", then. Fact is that he will fall behind on DPS and that he is not a very good warrior (raid-wise) if he doesn`t minmax when his guild wants to progress.

    Fact is that arms is so goddamn easy compared to fury (the rotation) and really hard to fuck up, if he`s so good then he`ll easily do 10% more dps as fury (and that is ALOT, if you are serious about endgame raiding at all).
    Just stop you are embarrassing yourself. Instead of acting like you know better than one of the best raiders in the world let alone warriors just stop. also I would like to know what boss the 8th best guild in the world is progressing on?

    Warrior I'm a huge arms fan always have been. I'm wondering if you could give a few tips for arms dps thats not put into basic guides here. I fury as I'm still progressing but love to arms when I can.
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    Orc is currently the best race for the typical strength class -- however do note that racials are only a minor DPS increase, so don't feel forced to play Orc just because it's a slight DPS gain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hannival View Post
    You must have a kind guild then if they let you play a shitty spec while progressing (yes, fury IS that much better with that gear).

    And no, you won`t outdamage fury on the aoe-heavy encounters either. Do please show logs of the top warriors playing arms, EVER, in 25man hc progression?

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    Yeah well whatever you "believe", then. Fact is that he will fall behind on DPS and that he is not a very good warrior (raid-wise) if he doesn`t minmax when his guild wants to progress.

    Fact is that arms is so goddamn easy compared to fury (the rotation) and really hard to fuck up, if he`s so good then he`ll easily do 10% more dps as fury (and that is ALOT, if you are serious about endgame raiding at all).
    FYI, Sarri's guild is ranked world 8th. Their progression has been over for like, 4 months now. And Sarri is probably one of the BEST warriors in the WORLD, arms or fury.

    Not to mention you're flat out wrong, Arms IS (or was during progression, adds die faster now which greatly reduces arms value on fights like spoils or gala) a superior spec on sustained AoE fights, due to DW, SS, and slam spam cleave. Those fights are Protectors (if you stack, which you should anyway at this point lol), Galakras, and spoils (if you open a lot of boxes). Paragons if you just want max deeps but that is wasted damage, so doesn't really count.

    For comparision, my rank 57 arms for heroic Protectors from like, 6 weeks ago was 472k DPS. My rank 12 for fury was 474k.
    Last edited by Darkfriend; 2014-01-26 at 04:43 AM.

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    lol Hannival got WRECKED back there. just wanted to point that out lol

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    I was talking about progression, I don`t really care what he and his guild do after they`ve finished progressing. He can play SMF dps for all I care.

    Fury is still better for the vast majority of fights, you just mentioned four fights where arms can be better if you go balls deep on AoE vs adds. That`s not alot of fights and fury is still better on those encounters, most of the time (ofcourse that means near-perfect rotations but that shouldn`t be hard as "one of the best warriors in the world").

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    Either orc or troll for the attack damage or haste.
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    Did you not just read what Darkfriend and Sarri said? They both said that during progression Arms are very useful for most fights with AoE, which is quite alot of fights in SoO. Also you said your warrior is level 81, so what exactly do you know about cutting edge progression from a warrior stand point?

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    *Sigh*

    Since your reading comprehension and knowledge of warriors seems to be so minuscule, let me reexplain the complexities of what should be very simple, easy to understand statements.

    1.) Arms is useful on certain progression fights, or if you're done with progression was useful on those fights. This is controvertible.

    2.) Arms doesn't perform terribly on even fights people view as "arms unfriendly". It's around 10% behind Fury. Sarri has shown this. If you're done with progression, it doesn't matter really, but it's still true. This also is controvertible.

    So ye, no one ever said Arms>Fury overall. No one ever said play only arms. No one ever said anything like that. In fact, YOU, started by saying this.

    Quote Originally Posted by Idjit View Post
    You must have a kind guild then if they let you play a shitty spec while progressing (yes, fury IS that much better with that gear).

    And no, you won`t outdamage fury on the aoe-heavy encounters either. Do please show logs of the top warriors playing arms, EVER, in 25man hc progression?

    Which has been shown to be false.

    So in other words, not only are you wrong, but you're LAUGHABLY wrong. For progression, the only POSSIBLE way Fury>Arms on those fights is if you need ST DPS SO BADLY that arms won't work.

    Honestly, if you want to come in here and tell some of the best warriors that their experience, logs, extensive testing, sims, data analysis, and the like is all wrong, go ahead. But if you do that and your only argument is "NU UH MY WARRIOR IS LVL 81 I KNOW WAT IM TALKING ABOUT", we're going to laugh in your face. Especially when you ASKED for cases of where arms was better, and were given them.

    So ye, LOL.
    Last edited by Darkfriend; 2014-01-26 at 03:49 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darkfriend View Post
    Orcs are also the most manly class.
    This right here is obvious.

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    Orc, bloodrage, panda for 300 extra food, should pick the race u like the most tbh!

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    Race is the least of your concerns, pick something you like.

    Quote Originally Posted by Emaias View Post
    While I dont play EU so I cannot comment on that, I can help with the second part of your question. Orcs are currently best for DPS, their racial is just godly.
    How is a racial that makes up like 1% of your DPS "godly"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Emaias View Post
    While I dont play EU so I cannot comment on that, I can help with the second part of your question. Orcs are currently best for DPS, their racial is just godly. Although with the coming of WoD they are re-doing most racials here. So wither it's worth it to you to switch now, or wait is entirely up to you.

    Those Racials are a POSSIBLE leak, by no means that is what they are switching to.
    These are the craziest racial jokes I could have imagined. It would appear they nerfed all the horde racials to the ground and gave the alliance some pretty insane buffs. I would be willing to name my first born child "Richard Toucher" if these ever made it to live.

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    How did I miss this thread? Dark beat me to it again!

    Also, since it wasn't mentioned before; Worgen racials are technically better than Orc, but Orc opens up some better gearing choices at BiS, so it's kind of a wash.

    Lastly; Hannival, you are an idiot. Many top parsing Warriors, myself included went Arms for early H Protectors, Galarkas, Spoils and Garrosh kills during progression. It simply was better than Fury (and still is in many cases). A simple search on WoL would show you this, so please don't go asking for logs or making up wild accusations.

    The Warrior forums here are some of the best forums, information wise, on MMO-Champion and the number one source of information regarding the Warrior class, primarily due to the involvement of the smartest and highest ranking Warriors in the world; most notably WarriorSarri, Collision, Xeek, Dark, Oliria, Requiel, and myself; Not to mention many others (I know I'm gonna get reamed for leaving them out, sorry!).

    We have worked very hard to continually help the other players who frequent these forums, and bring accurate information and give general advice, so I'd ask you not to get disrespectful with them. Except Dark, he is an asshole.

    Doesn't mean you can't argue if you don't agree with something they say, by all means, bring it up; but 99.99% of the time it's correct with regards to math, rotation or technical play. If they weren't right, they wouldn't be where they are.
    Last edited by Archimtiros; 2014-01-30 at 10:01 AM.

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    Ya know, is it just me or does it seem like the OP is 2 completely different people. Goes from asking a question, which is already easy to just look up, then acts snarky and thinks he *knows* warriors after someone responds in a non agressive manner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hannival View Post
    Currently have an undead warrior at lvl 81
    About sums it up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Archimtiros View Post
    How did I miss this thread? Dark beat me to it again!

    Also, since it wasn't mentioned before; Worgen racials are technically better than Orc, but Orc opens up some better gearing choices at BiS, so it's kind of a wash.

    Lastly; Hannival, you are an idiot. Many top parsing Warriors, myself included went Arms for early H Protectors, Galarkas, Spoils and Garrosh kills during progression. It simply was better than Fury (and still is in many cases). A simple search on WoL would show you this, so please don't go asking for logs or making up wild accusations.

    The Warrior forums here are some of the best forums, information wise, on MMO-Champion and the number one source of information regarding the Warrior class, primarily due to the involvement of the smartest and highest ranking Warriors in the world; most notably WarriorSarri, Collision, Xeek, Dark, Oliria, Requiel, and myself; Not to mention many others (I know I'm gonna get reamed for leaving them out, sorry!).

    We have worked very hard to continually help the other players who frequent these forums, and bring accurate information and give general advice, so I'd ask you not to get disrespectful with them. Except Dark, he is an asshole.

    Doesn't mean you can't argue if you don't agree with something they say, by all means, bring it up; but 99.99% of the time it's correct with regards to math, rotation or technical play. If they weren't right, they wouldn't be where they are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CollisionTD View Post
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    I play a tauren, I top fights as both arms and fury. Racial can't overcome lack of skills, and the impact is so miniscule it's not worth spending money on it. If you like orc, then go for it. I don't personally, so my beefy hands grasping weapons will always be of a tauren one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Archimtiros View Post
    Arms for early H Garrosh kills during progression.
    Is it just because of p1 adds or is there any other reason arms outperforms fury here?
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