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    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    I'd actually like to see a healer that doesn't use mana.

    SWTOR has quite a few healers that don't use mana. Those mechanics could be transferred over to WoW pretty easily.
    That is difficult for blizzard... The only mechanics that will work well will be some kind of mana and netherstones. The Fel Energy use servers for tanks and DPS for this class. The idea of this suggestion is also based on weapon runes like Chaos Runes, Nether Runes , Arcane Runes , Shadow Runes , Fire Runes. If you use nether runes your weapon attacks drain soul to heal an ally.
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    Where have we seen this class in the warcraft universe before? It's probably not getting in if we haven't, you know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chaosturn View Post
    Where have we seen this class in the warcraft universe before? It's probably not getting in if we haven't, you know.
    Demon Hunters , because they use Shadow/Fel/Fire/Arcane , but we have only seen 4 of their abilities ... I am suggesting the Demon Hunter healing aspect, because Demon Hunters use these energies, why not using them to heal?!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arberian View Post
    Demon Hunters , because they use Shadow/Fel/Fire/Arcane , but we have only seen 4 of their abilities ... I am suggesting the Demon Hunter healing aspect, because Demon Hunters use these energies, why not using them to heal?!
    Because demonhunters would be a pure dps class. Healing wouldn't make any sense.

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    I'm going to say no, only because it doesn't make sense to me. How would Shadow/Nether/Fire stuffs actually heal someone, when you generally assume Shadow as pain inflicting, causing fear or torment. Fire is literally burning people, and I don't think a healing class would be built around using fire to cauterize wounds. Nether also doesn't make sense, since isn't it some sort of corruption.
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    Quote Originally Posted by manicwrath View Post
    Because demonhunters would be a pure dps class. Healing wouldn't make any sense.
    No. Not at all . Illidan Tanked Mannoroth in Well of Eternity using a Cursed Vision and you call that PURE DPS ?! WoW means using your creativity to create spells based in Warcraft universe. I have NEVER seen Paladins healing themselves when i played Warcraft 3. NEVER. And i see them in WoW using Holy LIght to heal themselves. Holy Light was a spell which was used only to heal allies in Warcraft 3. Blizzard allowed this spell to also heal the Paladin in WoW. Paladins couldn't heal themselves in Warcraft but Blizzard allowed this in WoW and this means that if Demon Hunters can use Shadow/Fel/Flame/Arcane why not using it to heal/shield. I have NEVER seen Flash of Light spell on Warcraft but this spell is in WoW. Is all about creativity. We have the Demon Hunter concept from Warcraft why not using creativity to create a new playing style based on that ?! That would make players happy.

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    I'm going to say no, only because it doesn't make sense to me. How would Shadow/Nether/Fire stuffs actually heal someone, when you generally assume Shadow as pain inflicting, causing fear or torment. Fire is literally burning people, and I don't think a healing class would be built around using fire to cauterize wounds. Nether also doesn't make sense, since isn't it some sort of corruption.
    Fire can also heal---> Remember Cauterize of the IMP (Warlock's pet) ---> Remember Cauterize (Mage Talent)---> Remember Ember Tap(Destro Warlock Spell)
    Fire can also shield---> Remember Flame Glow (Mage Talent) ---> Molten Armor(Mage Talent)
    Shadow can also heal---> Remember Mortal Coil(Warlock Talent)---> Dark Regeneration (Warlock Talent)---> Conversion( DK talent) ---> Dark "Halo" of "The Shadow PRiests"
    Shadow can also shield---> Remember the Unending Resolve of the Warlocks ---> Remember Anti Magic Shield ( Death Knights) ----> Anti Magic Zone (Death Knights)
    Shadow can also Ressurect---> Remember Raise Ally
    Arcane can also Shield---> Mage Armor(Mage spell) ----> Incanter's Ward(Mage Talent)
    Nether is not corruption and is used to regenerate---> Remember passive ability of the Destro Warlocks: Chaotic Energy

    Nether is a sort of Chaos(Fel) Energy which can be used to heal: Remember defeating Kanrethad and he transformed your Fire Spells into Fel Tainted Spells --> You could also use (FEL)Green Ember Tap to heal. We have also seen that Nether Energy used by Dread LOrds also combined with shadow energy creates the Vampiric Aura which heals the team. This is the proof that these abilities can be used to heal...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arberian View Post
    No. Not at all . Illidan Tanked Mannoroth in Well of Eternity using a Cursed Vision and you call that PURE DPS ?! WoW means using your creativity to create spells based in Warcraft universe. I have NEVER seen Paladins healing themselves when i played Warcraft 3. NEVER. And i see them in WoW using Holy LIght to heal themselves. Holy Light was a spell which was used only to heal allies in Warcraft 3. Blizzard allowed this spell to also heal the Paladin in WoW. Paladins couldn't heal themselves in Warcraft but Blizzard allowed this in WoW and this means that if Demon Hunters can use Shadow/Fel/Flame/Arcane why not using it to heal/shield. I have NEVER seen Flash of Light spell on Warcraft but this spell is in WoW. Is all about creativity. We have the Demon Hunter concept from Warcraft why not using creativity to create a new playing style based on that ?! That would make players happy.



    Fire can also heal---> Remember Cauterize of the IMP (Warlock's pet) ---> Remember Cauterize (Mage Talent)---> Remember Ember Tap(Destro Warlock Spell)
    Fire can also shield---> Remember Flame Glow (Mage Talent) ---> Molten Armor(Mage Talent)
    Shadow can also heal---> Remember Mortal Coil(Warlock Talent)---> Dark Regeneration (Warlock Talent)---> Conversion( DK talent) ---> Dark "Halo" of "The Shadow PRiests"
    Shadow can also shield---> Remember the Unending Resolve of the Warlocks ---> Remember Anti Magic Shield ( Death Knights) ----> Anti Magic Zone (Death Knights)
    Shadow can also Ressurect---> Remember Raise Ally
    Arcane can also Shield---> Mage Armor(Mage spell) ----> Incanter's Ward(Mage Talent)
    Nether is not corruption and is used to regenerate---> Remember passive ability of the Destro Warlocks: Chaotic Energy

    Nether is a sort of Chaos(Fel) Energy which can be used to heal: Remember defeating Kanrethad and he transformed your Fire Spells into Fel Tainted Spells --> You could also use (FEL)Green Ember Tap to heal. We have also seen that Nether Energy used by Dread LOrds also combined with shadow energy creates the Vampiric Aura which heals the team. This is the proof that these abilities can be used to heal...
    Next time give proofs before writting nonsense...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arberian View Post
    No. Not at all . Illidan Tanked Mannoroth in Well of Eternity using a Cursed Vision and you call that PURE DPS ?! WoW means using your creativity to create spells based in Warcraft universe. I have NEVER seen Paladins healing themselves when i played Warcraft 3. NEVER. And i see them in WoW using Holy LIght to heal themselves. Holy Light was a spell which was used only to heal allies in Warcraft 3. Blizzard allowed this spell to also heal the Paladin in WoW. Paladins couldn't heal themselves in Warcraft but Blizzard allowed this in WoW and this means that if Demon Hunters can use Shadow/Fel/Flame/Arcane why not using it to heal/shield. I have NEVER seen Flash of Light spell on Warcraft but this spell is in WoW. Is all about creativity. We have the Demon Hunter concept from Warcraft why not using creativity to create a new playing style based on that ?! That would make players happy.
    Are you serious? WC3 Paladins had Holy Light, Divine Shield AND Mass Ress. That indicates a healing spell, a protection spell, and a rez all from WC3. The reason its difficult to create a DH concept from Warcraft is because Blizzard itself gave the DH playstyle to other existing classes. So any DH concept you come up with either steps all over the toes of existing classes, or is so divorced from the original DH concept that you might as well come up with a new class entirely.

    In either case, Demon Hunters as healers is a laughable concept.



    Fire can also heal---> Remember Cauterize of the IMP (Warlock's pet) ---> Remember Cauterize (Mage Talent)---> Remember Ember Tap(Destro Warlock Spell)
    Fire can also shield---> Remember Flame Glow (Mage Talent) ---> Molten Armor(Mage Talent)
    Shadow can also heal---> Remember Mortal Coil(Warlock Talent)---> Dark Regeneration (Warlock Talent)---> Conversion( DK talent) ---> Dark "Halo" of "The Shadow PRiests"
    Shadow can also shield---> Remember the Unending Resolve of the Warlocks ---> Remember Anti Magic Shield ( Death Knights) ----> Anti Magic Zone (Death Knights)
    Shadow can also Ressurect---> Remember Raise Ally
    Arcane can also Shield---> Mage Armor(Mage spell) ----> Incanter's Ward(Mage Talent)
    Nether is not corruption and is used to regenerate---> Remember passive ability of the Destro Warlocks: Chaotic Energy

    Nether is a sort of Chaos(Fel) Energy which can be used to heal: Remember defeating Kanrethad and he transformed your Fire Spells into Fel Tainted Spells --> You could also use (FEL)Green Ember Tap to heal. We have also seen that Nether Energy used by Dread LOrds also combined with shadow energy creates the Vampiric Aura which heals the team. This is the proof that these abilities can be used to heal...
    Okay... So what would the other specs be? Why not just give Warlocks and Mages more healing abilities if you're going to pretty much use Warlock and Mage abilities?

    When you construct a class concept, you need to construct three unique yet related specs. A class that has a fire or demonic-based healing spec is going to have to have fire and demonic magic throughout its concept, or it doesn't make sense. Which is why such an idea would never work, because to create a fire/shadow/demonic based healing spec, we need fire/demonic/shadow based classes, which we already have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    Are you serious? WC3 Paladins had Holy Light, Divine Shield AND Mass Ress. That indicates a healing spell, a protection spell, and a rez all from WC3. The reason its difficult to create a DH concept from Warcraft is because Blizzard itself gave the DH playstyle to other existing classes. So any DH concept you come up with either steps all over the toes of existing classes, or is so divorced from the original DH concept that you might as well come up with a new class entirely.

    In either case, Demon Hunters as healers is a laughable concept.





    Okay... So what would the other specs be? Why not just give Warlocks and Mages more healing abilities if you're going to pretty much use Warlock and Mage abilities?

    When you construct a class concept, you need to construct three unique yet related specs. A class that has a fire or demonic-based healing spec is going to have to have fire and demonic magic throughout its concept, or it doesn't make sense. Which is why such an idea would never work, because to create a fire/shadow/demonic based healing spec, we need fire/demonic/shadow based classes, which we already have.
    Yes i have never seen Priests in WC3 Using any shields. I have never seen Warlocks in War3 using Healing Spells. BUt in WoW Priests use shields and Warlocks use ember Tap.
    SO The healing spec of Demon Hunters are based on the energy they use:My suggestions: Arcane---> Arcane Defence : Reduces the damage Taken by party or raid members within 30 yards by 15%. Lasts for 14 seconds.
    Shadow---->Dark Shield: Shields an ally for X(damage) . Lasts for 17 seconds. Cannot be used more often than every 12 seconds. Cd: 4 seconds.

    --Never seen Priests in WC3 using the damn shields.--
    --Never seen Demon Hunters in WC3 using Cursed Vision for dodge increase in order to tank , but only in WoW (Example : Illidan tanks Mannoroth )--
    Can Warlocks use Arcane ?! No
    Can Mages use Shadow?! NO
    No one from these classes can use the healing spec i suggest--> The only option are Demon Hunters...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arberian View Post
    Yes i have never seen Priests in WC3 Using any shields. I have never seen Warlocks in War3 using Healing Spells. BUt in WoW Priests use shields and Warlocks use ember Tap.
    SO The healing spec of Demon Hunters are based on the energy they use:My suggestions: Arcane---> Arcane Defence : Reduces the damage Taken by party or raid members within 30 yards by 15%. Lasts for 14 seconds.
    Shadow---->Dark Shield: Shields an ally for X(damage) . Lasts for 17 seconds. Cannot be used more often than every 12 seconds. Cd: 4 seconds.

    --Never seen Priests in WC3 using the damn shields.--
    --Never seen Demon Hunters in WC3 using Cursed Vision for dodge increase in order to tank , but only in WoW (Example : Illidan tanks Mannoroth )--
    Can Warlocks use Arcane ?! No
    Can Mages use Shadow?! NO
    No one from these classes can use the healing spec i suggest--> The only option are Demon Hunters...
    So do you admit that Paladins could in fact heal in WC3?

    Yes, Priests didn't have shields in WC3. However, shields is only one aspect of the class, and it really only applies to Discipline. Meanwhile, Shield is a primary aspect of the Paladin class, popping up in abundance thought out their specs and talents. I'm not seeing the point you're trying to make here. In any case, priest using shields to protect and heal isn't that much of a jump in terms of theme, because they are primarily healers. A Demon Hunter or a Warlock healing people is bizarre, and makes little sense because it doesn't go along with the underlying theme of the class concept. In fact its a pretty dumb idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    I'd actually like to see a healer that doesn't use mana.
    Still don't see why they didn't make Mistweaver use Energy and balance around that. All the "buff mana for everyone and Monks will need a nerf" problems would have been solved before they were a problem. Like another poster said, though, they looked at it and said "Na, just make yet another mana class so we don't have to figure out how to make something new work."
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    There isn't really a portion of the demon hunter kit that involves either recovery or defense. I'm not really sure how it would work. People certainly wouldn't be looking forward to the class expecting to heal though, and people rolling it and seeing that it could heal would likely be confused.

    If Demonhunter was a spec of a class, like Brewmaster of monk, then you could probably make it work out somehow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    So do you admit that Paladins could in fact heal in WC3?

    Yes, Priests didn't have shields in WC3. However, shields is only one aspect of the class, and it really only applies to Discipline. Meanwhile, Shield is a primary aspect of the Paladin class, popping up in abundance thought out their specs and talents. I'm not seeing the point you're trying to make here. In any case, priest using shields to protect and heal isn't that much of a jump in terms of theme, because they are primarily healers. A Demon Hunter or a Warlock healing people is bizarre, and makes little sense because it doesn't go along with the underlying theme of the class concept. In fact its a pretty dumb idea.
    No i admit they could heal but not themselves ... And the proof that i am right is this : THe Shamans in WC3 cant heal themselves---> When i played a shaman for the first time in WoW i was amazed because there was a healing talent and i really like that change. When i learned that a game named World of Warcraft existed i thought that every class would be like Witch Doctor Class , Shaman Class( I always knew that SHamans and Far Seers had some kind of electric energy which united them and i didnt see their connection with the Witch Doctors and furthermore i didnt expect them to heal) , Druid etc
    Blizzard did a very nice job adding heals to the shamans!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by hrugner View Post
    There isn't really a portion of the demon hunter kit that involves either recovery or defense. I'm not really sure how it would work. People certainly wouldn't be looking forward to the class expecting to heal though, and people rolling it and seeing that it could heal would likely be confused.

    If Demonhunter was a spec of a class, like Brewmaster of monk, then you could probably make it work out somehow.
    It can work. Parry and Dodge with Fel/Fire Heals and damage reduce buffs. A Demonic Stance which increases their armor and its done. The People cant expect Demon Hunter to heal as i didnt expect Shamans to heal when i was playing Warcraft 3.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dasani View Post
    Personally i've always wanted a healer that played similar to green drakes from occulus.

    Using offensive dots on the enemy that heals you personally as you deal damage to them, then allowing you to transfer your health to heal others.

    So healing becomes a constant balancing act, taking health from your enemies then distributing to who needs it on your team. Would work best if health was the only resource you had to worry about instead of mana. I also wish energy-based healing monks would be possible.

    But alas, blizzard will never allow healers to exist that aren't mana whores because unique mechanics for healing is apparently too much to ask for.
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    People aslo think Demon Hunter can't heal and that he is a warrior class that uses Dark Energy etc... Dark Energy can shield and Heal... Paladin is a warrior class which uses Light Energy and fights Demons/Undeads .ANd he can heal using Light ENergy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    So do you admit that Paladins could in fact heal in WC3?

    Yes, Priests didn't have shields in WC3. However, shields is only one aspect of the class, and it really only applies to Discipline. Meanwhile, Shield is a primary aspect of the Paladin class, popping up in abundance thought out their specs and talents. I'm not seeing the point you're trying to make here. In any case, priest using shields to protect and heal isn't that much of a jump in terms of theme, because they are primarily healers. A Demon Hunter or a Warlock healing people is bizarre, and makes little sense because it doesn't go along with the underlying theme of the class concept. In fact its a pretty dumb idea.
    It makes sense because is like Paladins who are Holy Warriors and can heal. Death Knights are Unholy warriors and can heal(Blood Death Knights Heal too much) . Demon HUnters can use SHadow/Fel/Fire/Arcane Energy which may be used to SHield/Heal/Cauterize.
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    Honestly shadow priest is probably the closest we'll come to this unless they manage to come up with a really good back ground for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roahn the warlock View Post
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    Yes seems to be too OP that way.

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    People aslo think Demon Hunter can't heal and that he is a warrior class that uses Dark Energy etc... Dark Energy can shield and Heal... Paladin is a warrior class which uses Light Energy and fights Demons/Undeads .ANd he can heal using Light ENergy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    So do you admit that Paladins could in fact heal in WC3?

    Yes, Priests didn't have shields in WC3. However, shields is only one aspect of the class, and it really only applies to Discipline. Meanwhile, Shield is a primary aspect of the Paladin class, popping up in abundance thought out their specs and talents. I'm not seeing the point you're trying to make here. In any case, priest using shields to protect and heal isn't that much of a jump in terms of theme, because they are primarily healers. A Demon Hunter or a Warlock healing people is bizarre, and makes little sense because it doesn't go along with the underlying theme of the class concept. In fact its a pretty dumb idea.
    It makes sense because is like Paladins who are Holy Warriors and can heal. Death Knights are Unholy warriors and can heal(Blood Death Knights Heal too much) . Demon HUnters can use SHadow/Fel/Fire/Arcane Energy which may be used to SHield/Heal/Cauterize.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arberian View Post
    No i admit they could heal but not themselves ... And the proof that i am right is this : THe Shamans in WC3 cant heal themselves---> When i played a shaman for the first time in WoW i was amazed because there was a healing talent and i really like that change. When i learned that a game named World of Warcraft existed i thought that every class would be like Witch Doctor Class , Shaman Class( I always knew that SHamans and Far Seers had some kind of electric energy which united them and i didnt see their connection with the Witch Doctors and furthermore i didnt expect them to heal) , Druid etc
    Blizzard did a very nice job adding heals to the shamans!!
    Shadow Hunters, Witch Doctors, Farseers, Spirit Walkers, etc. are all rolled up into the Shaman class. And yes, they could heal themselves and others, which is why Shaman became a class with a healing spec.

    Shaman have Healing Wave, Hex, and Serpent Ward (Searing totem) from the Shadow Hunter. Additionally, the totem system was derived from the wards dropped by Witch Doctors and Shadow Hunters. Healing Ward eventually became Healing Stream totem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    Shadow Hunters, Witch Doctors, Farseers, Spirit Walkers, etc. are all rolled up into the Shaman class. And yes, they could heal themselves and others, which is why Shaman became a class with a healing spec.

    Shaman have Healing Wave, Hex, and Serpent Ward (Searing totem) from the Shadow Hunter. Additionally, the totem system was derived from the wards dropped by Witch Doctors and Shadow Hunters. Healing Ward eventually became Healing Stream totem.
    Of course but when i played WC3 i had ano concept of shaman which was different from the Witch Doctor Concept. Now i have a different concept for SHamans. I like what Blizzard did in WoW. I would like if they would add the demon hunter class and some kind of Vampiric Aura (Temporarily) to Demon Hunters and some kind of attacking Shadow Copies ( Who do meele attacks ).
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