I am more worried that we will end up with our 3rd exp being the worst spec in the game, like we saw in 4.0 and 5.0, i went full prot and didn`t even think about 2`s
Worst dps does not mean worst spec. Sure maybe for the top 5 world guilds you'll not see any rets... but we bring tools that only paladins have and unless you want 2 holy paladins in WoD (which I doubt) then there's gonna be open rooms for 1 and 2 rets if you're outside the top 5 world race.
DPS is NOT everything...
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I don't want to talk out of my ass because I don't keep up with spec performance at top level the same way you guys do, but as far as I'm aware, ret has been doing pretty decently if not downright amazing in some tiers. Anaxie mentioned T10 with Shadowmourne and Tiny Abom. I never got either of those items, but I could see other people who had them, and they definitely didn't underperform. Cataclysm was weird, we had a terrible mastery at the start, and (personal feelings here), ret dps felt really awkward until I got a hold of the T13 bonus that caused Judgement to generate Holy Power.
I've been pretty happy with ret this expansion. Once again, maybe my opinion won't mean much, if anything at all, to you considering I'm "just a LFR noob", but I do have eyes, and while I may not analyze things as deeply as you guys do, I'm not blind to how a spec performs either unless I deliberately don't pay attention.
So 2 weeks of being really OP followed by an entire expansion of being considered one of the worst pvp classes of the game?
Also, not everyone has spellcheck on their web browser (I know I don't) so don't think everyone has helpful little red squiggly lines helping them spell everything like yourself.
On-topic; Not really worried about ret or any of the other classes really, imo most classes feel more balanced at this point in the game than ever, so I have hope that Bliz won't fudge it up in 6.0.
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PvE utility is very minimally needed, as shown by the top 5 speed clears, they over load with damage and completely ignore mechanics and just push the boss through phases. Sure in PvP mechanics mean a lot more and a good HoF/HoP and HoS offers a lot more utility. Well as long as you aren't retribution, cause again it boils down to the whole doing minimal damage thing. Their damage is tied to their burst, so when they can't burst they aren't a threat. Sure i can out utility people, but if i can't kill someone. 1 Utility/Damage hybrid + 1 ranged damage + 1 healer will always lose to 2 damage + 1 healer. Just cause our healer can't keep up as well over a really long fight.
Holy Templar's Verdict is amazing. However, it really just makes Templar's Verdict hit like it should be already.
All I wanted to do in Wrath was to finish every boss throughout the expansion on it's hardest difficulty. Did everything except LK 25 heroic because of the same problems you are having. When the guild eventually stopped raiding after dealing with this and hitting the end of an xpac where it got too tough to find recruits, I left (after about 2-3 years in the same guild) and joined the top guild on the server to try and finish it. It just wasn't the same so I cancelled my subscription after only a week or two. They killed him about a week later. I haven't played until about 2 months ago.
It sucks that there are so many flakey people who don't care about anything but their gear and themselves. They don't care that they destroy guilds or give them a never ending headache, but that all comes with the territory in a game like this.
Last edited by Swampmoose; 2014-01-29 at 07:13 PM.
Originally Posted by Nikoll
For Blizzard, Ret is just a leveling specc, the intended endgame speccs for paladins in their eyes are mostly a healbot, or a tank. Though they don't like us being good tanks either, or, god forbid, having fun while tanking, as seen from the numerous nerfs to Prot throughout MoP. They even plainly wrote it in blue posts numerous times, though it was related to pvp ("we are ok with Ret being shit cuz Holy is stronk")
What will really fuck us up will be the removal of Reforge options, and the warrior-centric itemization we see all the time (T14 with no haste weaps, yet two crit weapons anyone?) Ret without a good amount of haste is zero fun, and now we will have to rely purely on RNG to get some haste gear.
Fellow Rets you need to stop lying to yourselves, trying to make the ugly truth seem more pleasant (aka Aesop's Fox and Grapes fable). "we bring utility" - hello, warlock and warrior both bring more raid utility and shit on you in dps.
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Another 3.0 won't happen because we won't get Final Verdict at level 90 and run around pwning people with it for two months before WoD comes out like we did with DIVIEN STROM!!11!one. Don't worry though, we'll suffer brutally in the numbers pass and have to be buffed going into the second and third tiers of Warlords, again, for the fourth expansion in a row.
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Reforge removal however is a step backwards for blizzard. Fucking idiots
I like where ret is at. But I'm not anywhere close to heroic raiding ilvls.
I'm always top 2-5 in every LFR I've been in, sitting at 528 ilvl.
I'm more interesting in Seal Twisting for the 20 sec +10% attack speed and +10% AP buffs, of course if that talent stays mostly unchanged.
I very clearly see a Prot talent, Holy talent, and two possible/viable ret talents (with one that looks more PvP focused and one more on sustained DPS)
Last edited by heerobya; 2014-01-30 at 07:47 PM.
I'm not really worried. What concerns me is the level 100 Talents. I hope they change. Some of them seemed boring.
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Last edited by Borigrad; 2014-01-30 at 07:52 PM.
Pointless to speculate how things are going to turn out. If you think level 100 talents are the only new changes, then you're in for a surprise. Also, going by history, Ret has started off in most expansions badly then good. Only WOTLK was Ret really over the top at the start.
I expect Ret to be bad at the start of WOD, and that's why I'll be avoiding to purchase the game until I hear otherwise. Good rule of thumb is to pay attention to the complaints of the forums. If people want Ret nerfed, then you know it's ok to play. Throughout MOP I didn't hear anyone complain about Ret, so you know that's not good.
Last edited by Swampmoose; 2014-01-30 at 08:37 PM.
Originally Posted by Nikoll