Originally Posted by

**xMoore**
I don't even play a hunter, but just looking at some of the top logs for BM hunters on a single target fight (I am using Iron Jugg for this) I looked up 3 sample hunters in the top 25 that are using Haromm's, not sure if its heroic or what, I don't rly care toooo much to go and check, but on average this trinket multistrike proc is doing 11.7 - 13k DPS (Effective DPS which is damage done / the time of the fight in seconds to see the actual effective DPS)

So lets go out on a limb here and put the Heroic Warforged TED up against a minimum of a 12k (rounding down here for emphasis) which is 4.2% mastery (pet damage) DOUBLE upgraded (iLvL 580) so lets take for instance one of the hunters in this topics, top parse, Kisstehbaby. Their pet did 210373 effective DPS on this fight, take 4.2% of that and it is 8835 DPS, but oh you will reforge out of the mastery into haste or crit? lets take 40% of the mastery and turn it into crit which would give you 1008 crit rating which is about 1.7% crit, but leaves you at 1511 mastery which is which takes you back to 2.52% mastery (pet damage) which would put you back to +5302 DPS from just the mastery, and 1.7% overall since your pet gets 100% of your crit rating, so they puts you at 5302 DPS from the mastery buff, and 7405 (1.7% of Kittehbaby's total dps on Iron Jugg, which was 435607 EFFECTIVE) so we have 12.7k in a BEST CASE SCENARIO.

I know this doesn't say OMG ITS BETTER LOOK I HAVE PROOFS, it is just a very very tiny sample that I took from the top logs for BM hunters and what it looks like at a first glance, I also AVERAGE EVERYTHING in the favor of TED so if anything TED is worse than in my example, and when you go to include things such as 4piece BM where your pet has 25% damage for your 2nd kill command and you get the full benefit of the proc from Haromms, and a total shit part of the proc from TED because it is about to fall off.

Both trinkets are RPPM. TED is obviously better for the first KC and ArcShots, but then it falls behind Haromm's. I didn't look much into the buff procs to see which is better, but I assume they both have their pros and cons, honestly the constant is more of a benefit to me seeing as you only have a better proc for the first 5 secs and then it falls behind haromms for the rest, take into account reaction time, GCD, cooldown of abilities, etc I feel like the buff proc would fall behind the static proc from haromm's. So the only real arguing point I see here is the passive proc being why I took 20minutes into looking it up.

I am very open to being told my math is completely wrong or I am just looking at this in a completely wrong way, but you guys do not support any math in your claims besides "omg haromms no proc on pet attacks wow it sux". Seeing as what was asked here was some validity or some proof of TED being better than HT.

TLDR; From 10minutes of looking at logs of the top 1% BM parses, and 5minutes of math, it seems like in the BEST CASE SCENARIO, TED passive is equal to HT in the top 1% of logs of haromms multistrike proc.

Also the Hunters I used for examples with HT procs:

Гумелев - 3464239 damage over a 4:33 fight = 12,691 effective DPS

Selindae - 3149110 damage over 4:32 fight = 12,001 effective DPS

Dyveriate - 2910989 damage over a 4:08 fight = 11.738 effective DPS