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  1. #381
    Quote Originally Posted by Ronduwil View Post
    I don't get the gist because:
    1. You linked to a post that you then paraphrased. I mean, I understand cutting parts out, but at least leave the original text intact instead of completely replacing it.
    I paraphrased nothing. Each one of those (to include my quote of your post) were copied and pasted directly from numerous of his own statements throughout this thread and he continues to state this is about alts and how not having the cloak has destroyed alt runs.

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    2. You replaced that text with your own personal interpretation of what he meant, and the whole point of my post was that you were reading far more into his post than he intended. Where in his post did he mention guild alt runs?
    Quote Originally Posted by eadan4111 View Post
    I wanna level an alt, I wanna gear up an alt (OP)

    I actually wanna change my main to raid on an alt insted but i cant (#8)

    in SoO 10 people without the legendary will have a realy hard time like my alt runs (#16)

    basicly if i wanna raid with an alt that im starting today i wont be able to raid SoO anytime soon (#73)

    the diffrent is: u could raid without other legendary, but u cant raid without this one, our alt run that i enjoyed fell apart....if u dont belive me pick up 10 people with no legendary and go kill bosses (#77)
    Every single one of those was directly copied out of his posts. I was responding to a specific point that you made so I didn't copy the rest of the posts, just the relevant portions.
    Just to add to my list above (#123):

    Quote Originally Posted by eadan4111 View Post
    would u level a char now? this post is mainly cause of this specific item making me not wanna level an alt, and im not the only one and thats just bad
    Specifically stating it destroyed his guild alt run (#243)
    Quote Originally Posted by eadan4111 View Post
    im stopped by the raid dificulty, go kill bosses with 10 people not having the cape and the meta and tell me that it can be done
    also i dont have the time to do it on my alts, put 1 and 1 together and BOOM my guild alt run just exploded

    Quote Originally Posted by Ronduwil View Post
    3. If one of his replies stated that he wanted to change mains why didn't you link that post instead? That's a completely separate issue, and has nothing to do with guild alt runs. At this point you're talking about guild progression runs, and alts without capes probably have no place there.

    4. I was agreeing with your statement that the cape shouldn't keep you out of guild alt runs. Switching mains is a completely separate issue, and if you're trying to imply that the cape shouldn't keep you out of progression raids I'm going to have to disagree. It's the equivalent of saying that gems and enchants should have no bearing on whether or not you're allowed to raid with your guild.
    I completely agree, but that was just one of the statements he made. If you're going to change mains, you do what you need to do to get your character competitive again - regardless of what it takes.
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  2. #382
    Quote Originally Posted by Junkdepot View Post
    I paraphrased nothing. Each one of those (to include my quote of your post) were copied and pasted directly from numerous of his own statements throughout this thread and he continues to state this is about alts and how not having the cloak has destroyed alt runs.
    Sorry about that. Thanks for clarifying. I agree that it's unreasonable to expect to switch mains in the middle of progression. Flex is the intended path for guild alt runs. When my guild started its progression half the raid members didn't have a cape and they still got a few bosses in without it. I've done 14/14 Flex runs with people lacking capes, so I know it's possible. It kind of sucks that raids are tuned that way, but that's the stance Blizzard wanted to take for it. Flex fills the niche that normal 10 man raiding in WotLK did, Normal equates to 25 man raiding in WotLK, and heroic is comparable to 25-man hard mode raiding in WotLK. LFR replaces heroic dungeons from WotLK. If you want to jump straight into normal/heroic raids, then you're going to have to grind out the cape. Personally I'm not in a hurry to do either.
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    People need to get over the gear color (and themselves). It doesn't matter, and it shouldn't matter what other players have either. Worry about your damn self. Live your life by that. If you want to concern yourself with someone else, then worry about HELPING them, not putting them down or making sure you stand out as better than them.
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  3. #383
    It'll be interesting to see what Blizzard brings in WoD for alts and the legendary. If nothing changes then they are fine with how it worked in MoP and still believe in the philosophy of "alts should be played". If they do make it easier to do on alts though, they'll have decided that that philosophy was a mistake.

    Sort of like how they hung on to the hard 5 mans in Cata until they revealed their new plans and said it was a mistake. They stick to their old philosophies until a new one exists to replace it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronduwil View Post
    Now it is, but that wasn't always the case. The dungeon/scenario/farm/commendation alternative to rep grinding was introduced as a way to mitigate the flood waters generated by the prodigious tears of players who were forced to grind the rep exclusively through dailies in the first few MoP patches. Still, it seems like every time Blizzard throws the alts a bone they follow up with a new gut punch. It is what it is, I guess.
    That is true but I saw no where in the post that he/it was refering to then or now.
    Saying mist of pandaria was the most alt unfriendly expansion in the start is true. saying mist of pandaria is the most alt unfriendly expansion is not true. it has never been easier... well except tabard doing dungeon stuff but hey that was TOO EASY

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  5. #385
    2 weeks for runestones? What game are you playing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Koraman View Post
    2 weeks for runestones? What game are you playing?
    Yeah, i'm at 14/16 and I can't even remember when did I start cause of how long it took

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cylom View Post
    Yeah, i'm at 14/16 and I can't even remember when did I start cause of how long it took
    EDIT:
    secrets is 20 runestones is 12 below is secrets for me

    Some people is lucky other is not so lucky.

    My priest took 8 weeks getting it. this was before soo
    My dk took 5 weeks. this was before soo
    my paladin so far has gotten 4 out of 6 bosses tried
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    ive not even bothered getting it on my main, I still outheal the other healers (which all have it) knowledge is still better than itemlevel you know, If your 15% dps lower than someone because of the cape, then they are really good, or you are really bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eadan4111 View Post
    OMG u dont get it do u!!!! its not hard to get its long to get, thats my problem, its a long sucky grind of doing LFR and flex pugs that make me not wanna do it.
    answer me that would u level an alt now, after u just finished this long grind on main, because i get put off by this and im not the only one
    i wish they would remove it just get rid of it so my best gearing up method will be thru old raids with out a 3 month grind rng crap

    and the concept that u think the the u have to "suck balls" not to get it make it not a legendary, it should be hard, and i never had a legendary before this 1
    You really need to calm down, it's not that big of a deal. Chill.

    And to answer your question, yes, I would level an alt now and am currently in the process of doing so, an 86 DK and 41 (I think) Monk. Will I go for the legendary cloak on them? Sure, if I really like the class at level cap and want to play it more. Also, you don't sound very happy for getting your first legendary to be honest, be happy that you have it on one char and see if you can get it on another, there's no need to freak out about it, especially seeing as though you're an 'average player', not a hardcore raider needing the cloak for progression, or whatever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Judge Jimmy View Post
    You really need to calm down, it's not that big of a deal. Chill.

    And to answer your question, yes, I would level an alt now and am currently in the process of doing so, an 86 DK and 41 (I think) Monk. Will I go for the legendary cloak on them? Sure, if I really like the class at level cap and want to play it more. Also, you don't sound very happy for getting your first legendary to be honest, be happy that you have it on one char and see if you can get it on another, there's no need to freak out about it, especially seeing as though you're an 'average player', not a hardcore raider needing the cloak for progression, or whatever.
    I concur. yes it takes a little while. but its worth the wait.
    And if you don't get into raids cause you don't have cloak start finding a new guild simply.

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  11. #391
    Quote Originally Posted by chaosjones View Post
    100% rep bonus from accomodation + warscout/warbringer farming can easily get you exalted with all factions in 1 day. plus dungeon and scenario for daily 1000 rep. mist is the most alt friednly expansion so far
    1 ) not every class can solo warbringers and with so many dead realms out there ( especially low or medium English realms in the EU ) there's not even someone that farms that shit in a group this day and age.

    2 ) 5.4 does not makes MoP the instant '' most alt friendly expansion so far '' , you clearly forgot the extremely gated and extremely needed daily grind in 5.0 if you had any ambition of staying / getting on your guilds raid team.

    3 ) you clearly forgot the no fly crap till lvl 90 ( since we are talking alt friendly you also gotta include the lvling process )

    4 ) The farm doesn't get remotely interesting in the beginning , nor profitable for rep. By the time it does take off any alt will already long be gone from that snoozefest.

    5 ) previous expansions had the famous ''rep tabards'' , 5 man dungeons with catch up epics , and you didn't needed a plethora of dailies in the 1st content patch to get you in raid shape, in Cata you only needed Therazane for shoulder enchant and 1 other faction for your head enchant.

    I hardly fail to see how Cata was less alt friendly than MoP when it had less/easier rep farm , same faceroll way to catchup gear ( ilvl 378 epic 5 man dungeons vs Timeless Isle tokens ) and it had flying at lvl 80 if you so wished.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FluFF View Post
    1 ) not every class can solo warbringers and with so many dead realms out there ( especially low or medium English realms in the EU ) there's not even someone that farms that shit in a group this day and age.

    Sorry but if you can't solo them you are simply bad. They are extremely easy and predictable. Just use your class arsenal.


    2 ) 5.4 does not makes MoP the instant '' most alt friendly expansion so far '' , you clearly forgot the extremely gated and extremely needed daily grind in 5.0 if you had any ambition of staying / getting on your guilds raid team.

    As far as I udnerstand recomendation did not arrive in 5.4 warbringers did not arrive in 5.4. And apparently your view and mien differs on the gear cause any good guild could not use the valor gear for shit anyway cause we already had the gear from normal mode. yes it was bad in start i agree but it changed and is now insanely alt friendly. also strange you failed to mention the additional 1000 rep from dungeons

    3 ) you clearly forgot the no fly crap till lvl 90 ( since we are talking alt friendly you also gotta include the lvling process )

    wow. because that makes the questing take so much longer. I dinged on my first char 27 hours after release including a 7 hour sleep period. none of my alts has taken more than 16 hours to level from 85 to 90. flying makes questing easier it does not make the game more alt friendly

    4 ) The farm doesn't get remotely interesting in the beginning , nor profitable for rep. By the time it does take off any alt will already long be gone from that snoozefest.

    I can agree there jsut listing the farm cause its a valid source of getting rep. also 2 days of farm and you are able to get it running so you can start getting rep with other factions

    5 ) previous expansions had the famous ''rep tabards'' , 5 man dungeons with catch up epics , and you didn't needed a plethora of dailies in the 1st content patch to get you in raid shape, in Cata you only needed Therazane for shoulder enchant and 1 other faction for your head enchant.

    This i agree with maybe i overstated saying it is the most alt friendly expansion. but saying this expansion is not altfriendly is simply wrong. cata was very easy but mist beats all the rest

    I hardly fail to see how Cata was less alt friendly than MoP when it had less/easier rep farm , same faceroll way to catchup gear ( ilvl 378 epic 5 man dungeons vs Timeless Isle tokens ) and it had flying at lvl 80 if you so wished.

    so 496 which takes an hour or 2 solo to get full gear or several days in a heroic dungeon with "noobs" whick makes you wanna take out your hair Yearh i know what I find more alt friendly.
    Comment in red

    edit any case why would you ever get rep on your alts that serve no purpose anymore the only time it did was in 5.0 and there i agree it was not altfriendly but that quickly changed.
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  13. #393
    it's impossible to switch mains this late in the expac if you haven't been regularly keeping up with the legendary quest on alts

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    It helps filter the lazy and unwilling from obtaining it.

    I mean, anyone can get lucky with a straight RNG drop. But this takes commitment.
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  15. #395
    Quote Originally Posted by Seezer View Post
    You don't need a legendary on your alt. Do you understand that? Blizz has been making gearing alts faster than ever, yet people bitch about not getting the legendary. They made the quest quicker if you really want it. But in no way, shape, or form do you need it.

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    Then that's his problem.
    I agree with this.

  16. #396
    Quote Originally Posted by eadan4111 View Post
    and be the weaker guy, I actually wanna change my main to raid on an alt insted but i cant, just cant cause it will completely stop our progress
    If you were truly a good player, you wouldn't need the cloak to down bosses in any difficulty. I don't even USE the legendary healing cloak as a healer because its proc is so shitty for like 90% of the fights in SoO. I use the dps cloak for most of them.

    This is literally the most retarded thread I have ever read. Did you even take a step back and read what you wrote before you posted? You sound like some whiny, entitled kid who thinks he should just get anything he wants, whenever he wants.

    It's a legendary for a reason. Even though it's widely accessible to far more people than any legendary before it, doesn't mean you should just get one immediately just for picking your fucking nose.

    I mean get a grip.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kcf912 View Post
    it's impossible to switch mains this late in the expac if you haven't been regularly keeping up with the legendary quest on alts
    I'm in a heroic raid group and we have had 3 people switch to alts due to change in our roster or various other reasons, and they did fine without the cloak. Certainly fine enough for their dps to not entirely suck without it.

    There is no excuse for just being a bad, lazy little shit. That's all this is. Bads whining about how they can't "perform" well in a raid setting without a cloak that was already ridiculously UN-needed in the first place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chaosjones View Post
    Some people is lucky other is not so lucky.

    My priest took 8 weeks getting it. this was before soo
    My dk took 5 weeks. this was before soo
    my paladin so far has gotten 4 out of 6 bosses tried
    See I feel like I'm going crazy because someone was going off on me in a raid saying that you are guaranteed 2 every week if you do the 4 raid wings that drop them, but I've done them for a month and I've only gotten 2 total. So either I'm missing something or I'm going crazy or they are wrong. I even just did this last night before the reset because I was assuming I would get 2 and maybe I just forgot that I didn't do them all the last 3 weeks. Nope...didn't get a single one again. What am I missing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelimbror View Post
    See I feel like I'm going crazy because someone was going off on me in a raid saying that you are guaranteed 2 every week if you do the 4 raid wings that drop them, but I've done them for a month and I've only gotten 2 total. So either I'm missing something or I'm going crazy or they are wrong. I even just did this last night before the reset because I was assuming I would get 2 and maybe I just forgot that I didn't do them all the last 3 weeks. Nope...didn't get a single one again. What am I missing?
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  19. #399
    Quote Originally Posted by Mammoon View Post
    OMG FFS

    Saying that the warglaives are just a luck thing only proves that you didn't play during TBC. Seriously, stop saying this. Saying the warglaives didn't require time/effort/multiple lockouts is like the dumbest thing imaginable.

    Stop acting like anyone could just pug Black Temple no problem and faceroll the whole thing. The only guilds that actually saw Illidan while it was relevant content were guilds that were amazing and raided the majority of the expansion. If you don't think weeks of Kara / SSC / TK / Mag's / Gruul's / Hyjal were required to get the warglaives then clearly the first time you ever set foot into a TBC raid was when you completely outleveled and outgeared the content.

    It is a ridiculous notion that the old legendaries were just "RNG based" and that it didn't show skill. If you played during TBC and you saw someone with glaives or thori'dal you knew how good that player was, there is no question. These items showed how skillful someone was not because "oh wow you got lucky" but because "oh shit you have cleared BT / SWP multiple times."
    I remember some pretty crappy players with glaives at lvl 70.... They were purely RNG based in comparison to other items from that tier. I was on a fairly backwater server (no one ever downed KJ pre-nerf) too. My crappy raid guild (hint: our main holy pally socketed all resist gems EVERYWHERE) that was created slightly before ZA came out was raiding black temple. We never downed Illidan, but we were close when the nerf came. TBC was not this amazingly hard raid content like everyone makes it out to be. Todays heroics I would say are harder, or at the very least, on-par with TBCs, with the exception of Kael'thas which was mostly due to his silly 10 minute phase at the start that just meant each attempt took years. I'll probably get flamed for those few sentences, but meh, its the truth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eadan4111 View Post
    wow, this is so irritating, I wanna level an alt, I wanna gear up an alt but the thinking about how long will i have to wait till i get the legendary just weigh so much on me....I get so frustrated

    I'm a slow leveler, take me 3 weeks maybe even 4 with full BOAs and i didn't mind, when i hit max level it take me couple of weeks to get gear for raids
    but the looming legendary quest that takes more then 2 month making me not even wanna do it.

    legendary used to mean that 1 guy in the raid is awesome and powerful and its great, but now it means that one guy in the raid is weaker and getting carried
    I'm average player dipping into heroics nothing too hardcore and i loved the legendary quest line, I did, but the though of leveling an alt to 90 just to have him 15% weaker for 2 month and forced to do old raids to the fullest making me no wanna play it, so i log on an alt...see that sigil quest.../sigh and go back on main, i dont mind gearing up thru MSV /HOF / TOT to get to SoO level but the legendary force me to do tot 3 4 times.... this is not a FIX IT NOW!!! post, its just describing how i feel about alts and gearing up and the looming quest that im gonna do at max level not wanting me to play other classes and gear alts

    is it just me?

    legendary quest:
    1. sigil - 1 week
    2. valor - 3 weeks
    3. secrets - 2 weeks (if u do all and u are lucky)
    4. runes - 2 weeks

    thats 2 month, and until then u are 10-15% weaker then anyone else, u are the excluded.

    any thoughts ?
    Dude dont complain about it. Just thank blizzard for changing A Test of Valor to three weeks instead of six like the rest of the people who actually got their cloak before that change. A month and a half of valor capping. Yeah, I got my 6k valor right as they change it to three weeks. Just do the quest and stop whining. If you want the cloak, get it. If you dont, then just do LFR like everyone else.

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