Yeah becouse first everyone cry that it to easy to get the back it shouldn´t be a legendary becouse its so easy to get and everyone will run around with it so it doesn´t make me a super special snowflake to have it, and now when everyone starts to want it on their alts its buu huuu it takes to long to get it.
One reason could be that some groups wont take you unless you have it in Flex/Normal SoO PUG's.
Another is that you miss out on a HUGE dps increase if you dont have it.
I would love them to at least remove the 3K valor earned part.
There is nothing Legendary about farming Valor Points....
I can only agree with this. I also want to point out that I have no idea where the hell these guys gets these notes that the cape is required.
I have never seen anyone ask for a cloak when pugging in local or trade. high ilvl yes but no cloak. for god sake its only around 20% of the entire wow population not including alts that has the damn thing.
Take my guild, we are a casual raiding guild (even if some beg to differ) we have 4 raiding soon 5 4 of the teams are progressing heroic one is at 9 heroic kills atm. neither of them is asking for cloak or insanely high ilvl. they only ask for experience and will only kick you if you can't bring that.
Its the same with just about any other guild ive seen on my server and it is not small. There is some guild that has ridiguless requirements but those are those who wish to be carried. those with skill care less about it cause they know they can easily carry normal mode with 1 suppar player.
Heroic it gets harder but if the guy is serious about things and there is something to get there they are willing to bring him along during progress.
Basicly stop whining cause you are not entitled for anything. (please note im not refering to the guy im quoting but the whiners out there.)
Probably THE reason why i didn't bothered to gear up my alts.... at the end you'll need to get that epic cloak, which will take forever...
Hope blizz finally removes epics from the game. But i wouldn't mind some extra spell upgrades after one has hit lev 100.
There is a special type of person who finds this an issue.
And notice that Blizzard finally had the sense to cave in and give every single character on your account access to the viole-proto drake once you've earned it on one character. I don't think the OP is complaining about having to invest time in getting the legendary -- at least not the first time. I think he's just frustrated at the prospect of having to go through the whole frustrating process again on each alt.
"There is a pervasive myth that making content hard will induce players to rise to the occasion. We find the opposite. " -- Ghostcrawler
"The bit about hardcore players not always caring about the long term interests of the game is spot on." -- Ghostcrawler
"Do you want a game with no casuals so about 500 players?"
I don't get the gist because:
1. You linked to a post that you then paraphrased. I mean, I understand cutting parts out, but at least leave the original text intact instead of completely replacing it.
2. You replaced that text with your own personal interpretation of what he meant, and the whole point of my post was that you were reading far more into his post than he intended. Where in his post did he mention guild alt runs?
3. If one of his replies stated that he wanted to change mains why didn't you link that post instead? That's a completely separate issue, and has nothing to do with guild alt runs. At this point you're talking about guild progression runs, and alts without capes probably have no place there.
4. I was agreeing with your statement that the cape shouldn't keep you out of guild alt runs. Switching mains is a completely separate issue, and if you're trying to imply that the cape shouldn't keep you out of progression raids I'm going to have to disagree. It's the equivalent of saying that gems and enchants should have no bearing on whether or not you're allowed to raid with your guild.
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Good luck trying to complete anything by AFKing in LFR these days. That only works the first couple of weeks when actual raiders are trying to supplement their gear to expedite their progression. After that there's little room or tolerance for dead weight.
This legendary is an alt killers, period. im hearing it a lot
its mind numbing grind that have 0 fun in it....that fact that u can get it is what make it terrible design
no having it is like not having any add on, or being a clicker, it can be done, but the fact that u can do better makes u want to do better, make u wanna learn key binds and rotations.....and it also make u wanna get your BiS cape...and the way to get there is by mind numbing LFR no fun experience
just remove it
all would be easier if i could avoid LFR. if there would be a quest, kill 100,000 creatures on timeless island or thunder island I would rather do that on three of my toons
Whereas before you would have no alternative option to get geared aside from forcing the entire guild to run you through old content. This is why guilds resorted to poaching from one another instead. It's ironic that you bitch so much about LFR when in the old days you would have been completely shut out instead. The other option, of your entire guild running you through the old raids on a weekly basis, is still available by the way. If anyone is forcing you to run LFR it's your guild, not the game.
So apparently your only exposure to LFR is the Preach video. Please AFK through SOO this Monday night and tell me how it goes.
So you're effectively admitting that doing LFR for the legendary is your personal preference rather than something forced on you by the game.
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Now it is, but that wasn't always the case. The dungeon/scenario/farm/commendation alternative to rep grinding was introduced as a way to mitigate the flood waters generated by the prodigious tears of players who were forced to grind the rep exclusively through dailies in the first few MoP patches. Still, it seems like every time Blizzard throws the alts a bone they follow up with a new gut punch. It is what it is, I guess.
I paraphrased nothing. Each one of those (to include my quote of your post) were copied and pasted directly from numerous of his own statements throughout this thread and he continues to state this is about alts and how not having the cloak has destroyed alt runs.
Every single one of those was directly copied out of his posts. I was responding to a specific point that you made so I didn't copy the rest of the posts, just the relevant portions.
Just to add to my list above (#123):
Specifically stating it destroyed his guild alt run (#243)
I completely agree, but that was just one of the statements he made. If you're going to change mains, you do what you need to do to get your character competitive again - regardless of what it takes.
Sorry about that. Thanks for clarifying. I agree that it's unreasonable to expect to switch mains in the middle of progression. Flex is the intended path for guild alt runs. When my guild started its progression half the raid members didn't have a cape and they still got a few bosses in without it. I've done 14/14 Flex runs with people lacking capes, so I know it's possible. It kind of sucks that raids are tuned that way, but that's the stance Blizzard wanted to take for it. Flex fills the niche that normal 10 man raiding in WotLK did, Normal equates to 25 man raiding in WotLK, and heroic is comparable to 25-man hard mode raiding in WotLK. LFR replaces heroic dungeons from WotLK. If you want to jump straight into normal/heroic raids, then you're going to have to grind out the cape. Personally I'm not in a hurry to do either.
It'll be interesting to see what Blizzard brings in WoD for alts and the legendary. If nothing changes then they are fine with how it worked in MoP and still believe in the philosophy of "alts should be played". If they do make it easier to do on alts though, they'll have decided that that philosophy was a mistake.
Sort of like how they hung on to the hard 5 mans in Cata until they revealed their new plans and said it was a mistake. They stick to their old philosophies until a new one exists to replace it.
That is true but I saw no where in the post that he/it was refering to then or now.
Saying mist of pandaria was the most alt unfriendly expansion in the start is true. saying mist of pandaria is the most alt unfriendly expansion is not true. it has never been easier... well except tabard doing dungeon stuff but hey that was TOO EASY
2 weeks for runestones? What game are you playing?