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    bm bis list?

    anyone got a bis list for bm? simcraft uses crit>haste> mastery, but we all know its wrong..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Theelol View Post
    anyone got a bis list for bm? simcraft uses crit>haste> mastery, but we all know its wrong..
    go to AMR, put in haste>mastery>crit, click show BiS ranking. Should be close enough.

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    How do you edit the weight in AMR to do Haste>Mastery>Crit? I can't figure it out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laraven View Post
    How do you edit the weight in AMR to do Haste>Mastery>Crit? I can't figure it out.

    http://i.imgur.com/AzJGKiu.png
    http://i.imgur.com/mDEBfQm.png


    And then you change the number to like
    Haste:4
    Mastery:3
    Crit:2

    Or you run a simcraft and use those numbers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joyful View Post
    http://i.imgur.com/AzJGKiu.png
    http://i.imgur.com/mDEBfQm.png


    And then you change the number to like
    Haste:4
    Mastery:3
    Crit:2

    Or you run a simcraft and use those numbers.
    Thank you! <3

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    Check the last page on EJ BM guide :
    http://forums.elitistjerks.com/index...tery-54/page-6

    AMR won't come close to BiS. Stat weight does shift a lot with ilevel.
    Haste > Mastery >= Crit
    I tried to tweak AMR to find those BiS but could never find them cause all parts in BiS have crit with reforge (AMR would discard those since Mastery has higher weight)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thotor View Post
    Check the last page on EJ BM guide :
    http://forums.elitistjerks.com/index...tery-54/page-6

    AMR won't come close to BiS. Stat weight does shift a lot with ilevel.
    Haste > Mastery >= Crit
    I tried to tweak AMR to find those BiS but could never find them cause all parts in BiS have crit with reforge (AMR would discard those since Mastery has higher weight)
    Not if you edit the weights correctly in AMR

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joyful View Post
    Not if you edit the weights correctly in AMR
    I'm not sure you understand how stat weights work for AMR or any reforging tool for that matter. When you set the value per point of the stats, that's it, AMR thinks it's haste > mastery > crit absolutely, which simply isn't true. All of the stats need to be correctly shifted around to get the optimal value out of each. I can get 18k haste and drop to 4k crit and 8k mastery but it is simply worse than what I currently have since the value of each secondary is so variable based on how much of the others you have as BM.

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    With Hunters the best choice of gear is nearly always going to be the ones with the highest number of stats on the piece of gear. Find these items, make a list in AMR, reforge it, sim it, reforge slightly according to new stat weights, repeat until stats are properly balanced.

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    For the lazy people who can't or don't want to click on links:

    Results from femaledwarf.com
    Using Haste >= Mastery > Crit
    All non-tier items should be considered Heroic Warforged

    Race: Orc
    Profession: Alchemy
    Profession: Enchanting
    Head: Tier
    Neck: Immerseus
    Shoulder: Tier
    Back: Legendary
    Chest: Tier
    Bracers: Malkorok
    Gloves: Tier
    Belt: Spoils
    Pants: Norushen
    Boots: General Nazgrim
    Ring: Klaxxi
    Ring: Malkorok
    Trinket: Sha of Pride
    Trinket: Siegecrafter Blackfuse
    Weapon: Malkorok

    This list is subject to change as more and more combinations of gear and reforges are simmed. For example, I've been trying to get a higher sim using the chest piece from Garrosh over Norushen leggings without success. Others stand by the bow from Klaxxi stating it's getting higher sims for them.

    Wanna play along? Visit femaledwarf.com and try to get the DPS as high as you can!

    The list currently posted results in 401,004.81

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    That's almost the same BiS as the BM priority using crit>haste>mastery. Neck is different, one of the rings is different, weapon is different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eschatological View Post
    That's almost the same BiS as the BM priority using crit>haste>mastery. Neck is different, one of the rings is different, weapon is different.
    Correct. Like Megabloks was saying even though it's aimed at Haste >= Mastery > Crit, it's going to be very similar because Crit is still extremely valuable to hunters.

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    When I sim your setup Dhryke I sim 398900.

    Highest result I could achieve is 399099.6

    Race: Orc
    Profession: Engineering
    Profession: Enchanting
    Head: Tier
    Neck: Immerseus
    Shoulder: Tier
    Back: Legendary
    Chest: Spoils
    Bracers: Malkorok
    Gloves: Tier
    Belt: Spoils
    Pants: Tier
    Boots: General Nazgrim
    Ring: Klaxxi
    Ring: Malkorok
    Trinket: Sha of Pride
    Trinket: Siegecrafter Blackfuse
    Weapon: Malkorok

    Suprised the spoils chest simmed higher than the garrosh chest, seems wrong. All reforging is haste > mastery > crit.

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    I maintain multiple BiS profiles on the EJ forums in the first post. As people post tweaks, I try to update the post when the updates settle down.

    You can view the current BiS lists (17 specs/gear profiles, including BM, MM, and SV) here:
    http://forums.elitistjerks.com/index...ofiles_by_spec

    You can view the current top BM BiS exports for Troll and Orc profiles in SimCraft here:
    http://forums.elitistjerks.com/index...81#T16_SoO_BiS

    If you find tweaks that improve them, feel free to pm me here, on EJ, or by replying to the BM thread.
    Last edited by Effinhunter; 2014-02-02 at 08:15 AM. Reason: Browser refresh caused double post

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    rppm changed means haste isn't the highest priority stat anymore

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    Quote Originally Posted by Illana View Post
    rppm changed means haste isn't the highest priority stat anymore
    Even after RPPM nerf haste is BM's best stat by a decent margin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by -Elki- View Post
    Even after RPPM nerf haste is BM's best stat by a decent margin.
    debatable.

    kissthebaby#1726

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    O would you look at that.


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    simmed on a boss that doesn't move i assume.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Illana View Post
    simmed on a boss that doesn't move i assume.
    "Fight Style: Patchwerk"

    I don't see why that is relevant at all.

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