The major change however that is true for all profile is :
- Dire Beast should be cast on CD (remove the wait for focus < 90) and with high priority (just after serpent string)
- actions+=/focus_fire,five_stacks=1,if=!ticking&!buff.beast_within.up , should be removed
- Update the stampede line that you are already aware of
The rest is very dependent on gear.
Last edited by Thotor; 2014-02-17 at 10:19 AM.
SimCraft doesn't like hardcore tinkering, though, I find. It likes to melt down when I add that line + some others changes of my own.
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Proof that they do stack. Thunder clap is a physical ability based on AP, so it will hit for the same amount as long as AP is held constant. I unequipped all proc items, thunder clapped once to get a baseline, then used shattering throw, thunder clapped, sundered twice, and thunder clapped again. If it did not stack, then 14479 should have been duplicated, but instead after the sunders it went up to 14836.
Last edited by CollisionTD; 2014-02-17 at 12:28 PM. Reason: i'm dumb.
Ahhh, that makes more sense. :P Blizzard likes to make hidden game mechanic changes from time to time, so it wasn't unreasonable haha.
I played around with BM and managed to squeeze 411,703 dps out of this action list, combined with the new BIS list that someone linked as well. I was getting around 404-405k out of the action lists linked above.
I'm gonna go ahead and put it in as the default list, if there's anything that can be tweaked just let me know. It's easy to change.Code:actions=virmens_bite_potion,if=target.time_to_die<=25|(!cooldown.stampede.remains&(trinket.stat.agility.up|(trinket.stacking_stat.agility.stack>10&trinket.stat.agility.cooldown_remains<=3))) actions+=/auto_shot actions+=/explosive_trap,if=active_enemies>1 actions+=/serpent_sting,if=!ticking actions+=/dire_beast,if=enabled actions+=/stampede,if=trinket.stat.agility.up|target.time_to_die<=20|(trinket.stacking_stat.agility.stack>10&trinket.stat.agility.cooldown_remains<=3) actions+=/blood_fury actions+=/fervor,if=enabled&focus<=65 actions+=/bestial_wrath,if=focus>60&!buff.beast_within.up actions+=/multi_shot,if=active_enemies>5|(active_enemies>1&buff.beast_cleave.down) actions+=/rapid_fire,if=!buff.rapid_fire.up actions+=/barrage,if=enabled&active_enemies>5 actions+=/kill_shot actions+=/kill_command actions+=/a_murder_of_crows,if=enabled&!ticking actions+=/glaive_toss,if=enabled actions+=/lynx_rush,if=enabled&!dot.lynx_rush.ticking actions+=/barrage,if=enabled actions+=/powershot,if=enabled actions+=/cobra_shot,if=active_enemies>5 actions+=/arcane_shot,if=buff.thrill_of_the_hunt.react|buff.beast_within.up actions+=/focus_fire,five_stacks=1 actions+=/cobra_shot,if=dot.serpent_sting.remains<6 actions+=/arcane_shot,if=focus>=61 actions+=/cobra_shot
Last edited by CollisionTD; 2014-02-17 at 04:31 PM.
I saw your update on the BiS, Az. I'm just trying to wait for Zeherah to respond to the questions about DB and the magical 15.1k breakpoint before I update. It's very likely that these tweaks will be wasted if/when she fixes the 15.1k breakpoint in the sim.
Edit: I'm going to go ahead and update the BiS profile on EJ. When Zeherah fixes this, we'll just start over, I'm sure.
I'm running 300s fight with 10% variation which is basically Iron Juggernaut these days, but tried playing with fight lengths (tho I have not gone default as I assume you've tested the above setting at), but yeah, I took the standard prio list and only changed basics.
I suck at SimCraft (no idea how to rank 2 sims like I've seen some do, so enjoy screenies):
Collision's setup using the gearset on his Google Code page:
My setup using the gearset on Collision's Google Code page:
Will be doing more changes in the quest for the perfect priority list (for Iron Juggernaut, anyway).
My priority for my runs:
Tried again @ 250s with 10% variation (basically a good average for how fast the top parses kill it):Code:actions=virmens_bite_potion,if=buff.bloodlust.react|target.time_to_die<=60actions+=/use_item,slot=hands actions+=/auto_shot actions+=/explosive_trap,if=active_enemies>1 actions+=/serpent_sting,if=!ticking actions+=/dire_beast,if=enabled actions+=/blood_fury actions+=/fervor,if=enabled&!ticking&focus<=65 actions+=/bestial_wrath,if=focus>60&!buff.beast_within.up actions+=/multi_shot,if=active_enemies>5|(active_enemies>1&buff.beast_cleave.down) actions+=/cobra_shot,if=active_enemies>5 actions+=/rapid_fire,if=!buff.rapid_fire.up actions+=/stampede,if=buff.dextrous.up|buff.bloodlust.react|target.time_to_die<=25 actions+=/kill_shot actions+=/kill_command actions+=/a_murder_of_crows,if=enabled&!ticking actions+=/glaive_toss,if=enabled actions+=/lynx_rush,if=enabled&!dot.lynx_rush.ticking actions+=/barrage,if=enabled actions+=/powershot,if=enabled actions+=/arcane_shot,if=buff.thrill_of_the_hunt.react|buff.beast_within.up actions+=/focus_fire,five_stacks=1 actions+=/cobra_shot,if=dot.serpent_sting.remains<6 actions+=/arcane_shot,if=focus>=60 actions+=/cobra_shot
Also what Effin said, all of this is actually useless since we're basing it on the FemaleDwarf BiS gearset which goes for a dumb hastecap that shouldn't be (unless FemaleDwarf is right about it, but I can't make it happen in SimC)
Last edited by Azortharion; 2014-02-17 at 04:18 PM.
For haste, I tried faking value of gear and going below 15.1k (and putting extra in crit) only drops DPS for SimC.
14.4k haste vs 15.1k :
Focus gain : 13.48 vs 13.58 - This result in 2 extra Arcane Shot which in turn result in extra time for Rapid Fire
Dire Beast : 163.5 vs 165.7 #Atk Count - My guess is that DB gets additional attacks during BL and/or the extra uptime of Rapid Fire.
Stampede : 42 vs 43 # Atk Count - Same as above
@Azortharion : Test are done in 450sec fight length with 20% variance with raid_optimal = 1
Using shorter fight length shift all priorities (both stat and action priority)
I personally also prefer shorter fight length because SoO does not contain very long fight.
Btw if you want to compare/rank your sims, you put after your first profile :
And then modify any value you like like the action list.Code:copy=MySecondTest
Last edited by Thotor; 2014-02-17 at 04:39 PM.
Try combining yours with my stampede/potion lines: (Just tweaked them a little as of this post)
After I fixed the trinket lines, they work a lot better now. trinket.stat.agility.up only works with non-stacking trinkets, while trinket.stacking_stat.agility.up will only work with trinkets that have a stacking buff. I had the usage confused a little before.Code:actions=virmens_bite_potion,if=target.time_to_die<=25|(!cooldown.stampede.remains&(trinket.stat.agility.up|(trinket.stacking_stat.agility.stack>10&trinket.stat.agility.cooldown_remains<=3))) actions+=/stampede,if=trinket.stat.agility.up|target.time_to_die<=20|(trinket.stacking_stat.agility.stack>10&trinket.stat.agility.cooldown_remains<=3)
Stampede line says: Use Stampede if non-stacking proc buff is up (Dextrous), or if the stacking trinket has >10 stacks and the ICD on your other trinket is less than 3 seconds, and of course, if the boss will die in less than 20 seconds. The potion line is an exact copy, except that it will only be used when all those conditions are met, plus stampede being off cooldown.
I haven't been running fight lengths that short, but I'll try a few out later today.
If the rotations for short/long fights get out of sync by a lot, we could just create 2 different lists, and activate them like this:
Just place that action right after precombat, and it'll flag any fights under 300 seconds as the other rotation.
then just put the different action list under this naming scheme:
Last edited by CollisionTD; 2014-02-17 at 04:40 PM.
Just for the lols, I tried to find out what's up about this haste cap.
I removed 100 haste from gear and gave it 100 crit in FemaleDwarf and got a 122 DPS increase out of it - however when I removed 200 haste and made it crit, I lost 2k DPS. >.<
I made those 100 haste Mastery in another test and got even more DPS out of it, however stealing away another 200 haste is once again a 2k+ DPS loss, so this secret cap is exactly 15002 it would seem.
I removed 103 haste and turned it into Mastery (14999 haste) which was a 2k DPS loss - I then removed 102 haste and added 102 mastery instead and saw a jump right back up.
Removing 102 Haste and turning it into Mastery is an 800 DPS loss over removing 100 Haste and turning it into Mastery so 15002 seems like -the- spot it wants to hit - not that I believe this is optimal, just interesting to see how it fluctuates. Looking forward to Zeherah's response.
I can link the increase I got, but I just manually messed with the stats but I guess it'd be possible to get near 15002 haste and have an even sicker BiS setup, but it's kind of a waste of time now.
EDIT: Trying now Collis.
EDIT2:;cUnable to convert trinket.stat.agility.up|target.time_to_die<=20|(trinket.stacking_stat.agility.stack>10&tri nket.stat.agility.cooldown_remains<=3 into RPN
EDIT1337: Removed some paranthesis and it worked, but only got 409k out of it when I managed 437k @ 250s, 10%. (heading to dinner now)
Last edited by Azortharion; 2014-02-17 at 04:42 PM.
Hmmmm, weird. @ 300 seconds
I am using a newer version of simcraft that I compiled, but I don't think anything significant has been changed. I'll try and release a new version for the masses in a few days.
My current "character" uses enchanting/alchemy instead of engineering, maybe that's it? I'll have to look into it later today, and try swapping in engineering.
Last edited by CollisionTD; 2014-02-17 at 04:55 PM.
Make sure you added "actions+=/use_item,slot=hands" to Collision action list, if you run on your profile since you are engineer.
Also make sure to run both profile in the same tab, so you can compare it in the same execution (using the copy feature i mentioned before)
Example here : http://pastebin.com/hQVaHEji
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@Azotharion : make sure you take the version from here : https://code.google.com/p/simulation...downloads/list
But then again , like CollisionTD, I use the latest version from the source so maybe something changed !
Last edited by Thotor; 2014-02-17 at 05:02 PM.
copy, basically mean that it will copy all your setting and make a new character with that settings. Then anything you add after copy, will be modified for that copy only.
For the Femaledwarf sims, we had seen that Engineering was no longer top profession once Assurance came into play (the 1m cooldown no longer lines up with Beastial Wrath). So, I'm not surprised that Engineering is modeling less in Simcraft than just using standard professions (like Alchemy/Enchanting).
Thanks, it's working, sort of..
I got my setup in full, then added "copy="Collision", then after that I put in Collision's priority, is that right?
Because when I run the two sims individually, Collision wins by a lot more (437k vs my 433k), whereas in the raid summary there things are much closer?
EDIT: Yeah I switched both hunter profiles to be Enchanting/Alchemy to just have flat Agi bonuses - this put Collision ahead again.