i7 vs i5 gaming - questions + setup?

[Unproven]

Hey there folks.

so ive been considering to get me a new PC as my old one have kinda outlived itselvf.
but as i was seaching on verious sites for pre-build ones i noticed that alot of them "only" uses high end i5 processers.
is there any specific reason for this? - i was thinking it was because no games can "use" i7 or the gain from it is minimalistic.

next question is:
is it possible to get a above avarage gamer PC for aprox 1300 USD / 960 Euro? no specific games in mind besides ESO and WoD.
if so, is it pre-build or one i have to put together my selvf? (not good at that tho)
keep in mind that i would have to be shipped to my country (Denmark) if that makes any difference.

thanks for all the feedback.
and sorry for any spelling mistakes.

- Edit - WoW side of it would be me doing 25 man raiding heroic progression. Grapics setting would be awesome on ultra - but high would be satisfying.

- Edit2 - This is one of the Pre build ones im looking at (hoping you can read/understand it as its in Danish) http://topdata.dk/product.asp?product=9298 USD = 1364,28

[Ripox]

You would get a GREAT machine for WoW/ESO @ 1,000 Euro!

But only if you were willing to put it together yourself or get someone to put it together.

Check out the Newegg series on YouTube on how to build a computer

[Deleted]

Which country? Prices differ vastly on the Continent from country to country.

[Unproven]

Which country? Prices differ vastly on the Continent from country to country.

thanks for the reply. i made it bigger (; - (im from denmark)

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You would get a GREAT machine for WoW/ESO @ 1,000 Euro!

But only if you were willing to put it together yourself or get someone to put it together.

Check out the Newegg series on YouTube on how to build a computer

thanks mate. when ill get home ill try to watch a few of those videos from newegg!

[TheHappyHozen]

I run WoW on High on a custom Hp Envy 15 laptop that I got for about 1000US. i7 processor, dedicated graphics, and way more RAM than I'll ever need... so building a computer, I imagine you could easily outclass this little rig.

[Unproven]

I run WoW on High on a custom Hp Envy 15 laptop that I got for about 1000US. i7 processor, dedicated graphics, and way more RAM than I'll ever need... so building a computer, I imagine you could easily outclass this little rig.

yey. that got my hopes up!
Made another edit with a link to one of the prebuild ones im looking at.

[Cyrops]

There are a few games that use all threads of i7, like Battlefield 4 (I'm positive with this one) and COD:Ghosts (I might be wrong about this one though). The reason is that old consoles had only 4 core CPU's, so games weren't built with more cores/threads in mind. Now the new consoles have 8 core CPU's so future games will be made to use at least 8 threads, meaning i7 will be better in future.

Denmark shops:

1k euro I estimated to be around 7462 kr
CPU 1487 kr : http://www.edbpriser.dk/processor/co...d-7335590.aspx i5-4670k
CPU cooler 244 kr : http://www.edbpriser.dk/processorkoe...d-6316805.aspx 212 EVO
Mobo 631 kr : http://www.edbpriser.dk/bundkort/asr...d-7413725.aspx Asrock z78-pro3
RAM 583 kr : http://www.edbpriser.dk/ram/gskill-s...d-4896160.aspx Gskill Sniper 2x4 @1866:1.5v
GPU 2015 : http://www.edbpriser.dk/grafikkort/s...d-7676889.aspx R9 280x
SSD 641 kr : http://www.edbpriser.dk/ssd-solid-st...d-7487531.aspx 840 evo
HDD 411 kr : http://www.edbpriser.dk/harddisk/wd-...d-6833684.aspx WD 1TB
PSU 430 kr : http://www.edbpriser.dk/stroemforsyn...d-5000995.aspx XFX 550W
Case 336 kr : http://www.edbpriser.dk/kabinet/ther...id-780899.aspx

6778 kr total (there's also shipping price to consider).

+ 320kr if you want better Mobo 951 kr : http://www.edbpriser.dk/bundkort/asu...d-7492884.aspx Asus z87-A
+608 i7 CPU 2195 kr : http://www.edbpriser.dk/processor/co...9.aspx?q=4770k i7-4770k
+1031 kr, stronger GPU 3046 kr : http://www.edbpriser.dk/grafikkort/s...d-7992542.aspx r9 290 (non X)


I run WoW max settings @ 1620x1050 (can't remember the exact resolution, but it's close) at around 80FPS average in world, 70ish in 25mans with lowest 40FPS, with much weaker 270x, but my CPU is 4771.

[Ripox]

yey. that got my hopes up!
Made another edit with a link to one of the prebuild ones im looking at.

Not to be rude but ignore NarnBloodyKnuckles he doesn't seem to know much about settings/computers by not mentioning framerates/resolution or actual specs.

I wouldn't get that prebuilt. WoW is CPU bound so you'll want to over clock, that motherboard and CPU cannot be over clocked. Also, terrible storage solution by only having a single 500GB HDD and no SSD!

Overpriced and not the best.

Make your own!

What websites sell parts in Denmark?


Edit: Also, regarding the post above, the "new consoles" really suck performance-wise and I doubt they will have much impact on PC gaming. Developers optimizing for PS4/Xbox one CPUs will not change much for us PC gamers

[Cyrops]

What websites sell parts in Denmark?

I just did the build, this is like PCPartPicker, lists a lot of websites from Denmark, but you can't make lists ...
http://www.edbpriser.dk/hardware.aspx

[Ripox]

960 Euro is around 7200 kr so I would bump up the CPU cooler to (imo) a good AIO for slightly better over clocking and aesthetics and perhaps going with the GTX 770 rather than 280x iirc WoW is friendlier to nvidia unless that's changed

[Terridon]

There are a few games that use all threads of i7, like Battlefield 4 (I'm positive with this one) and COD:Ghosts (I might be wrong about this one though). The reason is that old consoles had only 4 core CPU's, so games weren't built with more cores/threads in mind. Now the new consoles have 8 core CPU's so future games will be made to use at least 8 threads, meaning i7 will be better in future.

Denmark shops:

1k euro I estimated to be around 7462 kr
CPU 1487 kr : http://www.edbpriser.dk/processor/co...d-7335590.aspx i5-4670k
CPU cooler 244 kr : http://www.edbpriser.dk/processorkoe...d-6316805.aspx 212 EVO
Mobo 631 kr : http://www.edbpriser.dk/bundkort/asr...d-7413725.aspx Asrock z78-pro3
RAM 583 kr : http://www.edbpriser.dk/ram/gskill-s...d-4896160.aspx Gskill Sniper 2x4 @1866:1.5v
GPU 2015 : http://www.edbpriser.dk/grafikkort/s...d-7676889.aspx R9 280x
SSD 641 kr : http://www.edbpriser.dk/ssd-solid-st...d-7487531.aspx 840 evo
HDD 411 kr : http://www.edbpriser.dk/harddisk/wd-...d-6833684.aspx WD 1TB
PSU 430 kr : http://www.edbpriser.dk/stroemforsyn...d-5000995.aspx XFX 550W
Case 336 kr : http://www.edbpriser.dk/kabinet/ther...id-780899.aspx

6778 kr total (there's also shipping price to consider).

+ 320kr if you want better Mobo 951 kr : http://www.edbpriser.dk/bundkort/asu...d-7492884.aspx Asus z87-A
+608 i7 CPU 2195 kr : http://www.edbpriser.dk/processor/co...9.aspx?q=4770k i7-4770k
+1031 kr, stronger GPU 3046 kr : http://www.edbpriser.dk/grafikkort/s...d-7992542.aspx r9 290 (non X)


I run WoW max settings @ 1620x1050 (can't remember the exact resolution, but it's close) at around 80FPS average in world, 70ish in 25mans with lowest 40FPS, with much weaker 270x, but my CPU is 4771.

The CPU is the one i've been considering myself. Should be good for anything really. I admit i didn't look for a CPU cooler since there follows one with the CPU, and my tower is a silent one(that works).
Isn't really a reason apart from bragging rights to get a i7 currently afaik.

[Cyrops]

960 Euro is around 7200 kr so I would bump up the CPU cooler to (imo) a good AIO for slightly better over clocking and aesthetics and perhaps going with the GTX 770 rather than 280x iirc WoW is friendlier to nvidia unless that's changed

I'll stick to suggesting AMD unless Mantle turns out a flop :X
And I'll stick to 212 evo as I find it extremely nice value, unless people go for most expensive parts and just throw money around then I will suggest an AIO.

[Terridon]

I'll stick to suggesting AMD unless Mantle turns out a flop :X
And I'll stick to 212 evo as I find it extremely nice value, unless people go for most expensive parts and just throw money around then I will suggest an AIO.

I'm an amd-guy. Only had amds from since the k6 came out, but they're garbage for wow compared to the i3-5-7's, and since he want to play that you can't really suggest to play with that.
Dunno about Mantles performance there, but guess it's the same, sadly.

[Unproven]

There are a few games that use all threads of i7, like Battlefield 4 (I'm positive with this one) and COD:Ghosts (I might be wrong about this one though). The reason is that old consoles had only 4 core CPU's, so games weren't built with more cores/threads in mind. Now the new consoles have 8 core CPU's so future games will be made to use at least 8 threads, meaning i7 will be better in future.

Denmark shops:

1k euro I estimated to be around 7462 kr
CPU 1487 kr : http://www.edbpriser.dk/processor/co...d-7335590.aspx i5-4670k
CPU cooler 244 kr : http://www.edbpriser.dk/processorkoe...d-6316805.aspx 212 EVO
Mobo 631 kr : http://www.edbpriser.dk/bundkort/asr...d-7413725.aspx Asrock z78-pro3
RAM 583 kr : http://www.edbpriser.dk/ram/gskill-s...d-4896160.aspx Gskill Sniper 2x4 @1866:1.5v
GPU 2015 : http://www.edbpriser.dk/grafikkort/s...d-7676889.aspx R9 280x
SSD 641 kr : http://www.edbpriser.dk/ssd-solid-st...d-7487531.aspx 840 evo
HDD 411 kr : http://www.edbpriser.dk/harddisk/wd-...d-6833684.aspx WD 1TB
PSU 430 kr : http://www.edbpriser.dk/stroemforsyn...d-5000995.aspx XFX 550W
Case 336 kr : http://www.edbpriser.dk/kabinet/ther...id-780899.aspx

6778 kr total (there's also shipping price to consider).

+ 320kr if you want better Mobo 951 kr : http://www.edbpriser.dk/bundkort/asu...d-7492884.aspx Asus z87-A
+608 i7 CPU 2195 kr : http://www.edbpriser.dk/processor/co...9.aspx?q=4770k i7-4770k
+1031 kr, stronger GPU 3046 kr : http://www.edbpriser.dk/grafikkort/s...d-7992542.aspx r9 290 (non X)


I run WoW max settings @ 1620x1050 (can't remember the exact resolution, but it's close) at around 80FPS average in world, 70ish in 25mans with lowest 40FPS, with much weaker 270x, but my CPU is 4771.

Thanks man, appriciate it! you even found one of the must used Danish websites - how hard was it to figure out the cost?
now i have to ask, seeing you said that most newer games would benefit more of a i7. would you personally recomend me to get that one instead of the i5?

- And thanks to ripox and terridon aswell. I R FEELING MA BRAIN GROWING. so much knowledge!

- Bonus question?!? How hard is it, like, for the avarage guy to get a hang of building your own pc and get it together?
i am already gonna go watch the videos on youduupe from those newegg guys. just curious

-Edit- so i showed this build to some mates of mine and they immdiatley said Radeon is garbage?

[Cyrops]

Thanks man, appriciate it! you even found one of the must used Danish websites - how hard was it to figure out the cost?
now i have to ask, seeing you said that most newer games would benefit more of a i7. would you personally recomend me to get that one instead of the i5?

- Bonus question?!? How hard is it, like, for the avarage guy to get a hang of building your own pc and get it together?
i am already gonna go watch the videos on youduupe from those newegg guys. just curious

-Edit- so i showed this build to some mates of mine and they immdiatley said Radeon is garbage?

I can call anything shit, doesn't make it true does it
The one thing AMD has over nVidia is Mantle (read more in my sig Radeon thread), but we currently can't test it, the beta drivers should be out 'today' (they were delayed) so you can wait a few days for results (again the same Radeon thread from my sig).

You can check my sig what kind of system I have.
I would recommend i7 if you can afford it and if you don't plan to buy new PC for the next 4-6 years, but towards the end of that cycle you will most likely have to play games on medium settings. If you plan and can afford buying 1k euro PC every 2 years then i7 is not worth it.
My last PC lasted for 6 years (Core 2 duo E8600 + HD5570) and I bought it with 4gigs of RAM when the 'norm' was 2GB for that time.

For average guy the most challenging will be 212 EVO installation (CPU cooler), there are easier solutions if you don't feel confident.
Basicly building PC is cake if you ever played with Lego or any other constructor. It's just figuring out where stuff goes and pushing it in until it clicks, but not forcing so much to break it. General rule: if you try to plug something and it's not going it, double then tripple check you have the correct socket.

[noteworthynerd]

I can call anything shit, doesn't make it true does it

This. Just because your "mates" said Radeon is garbage doesn't make it true. When it comes to PC parts (and many other things in life), people read a piece of misinformation somewhere or had one bad experience with something 10 years ago and they still let that bias sway them.

The simple fact is: at the moment, Radeon and NVIDIA cards are essentially neck-and-neck in terms of performance. Before the cryptocurrency mining craze Radeon cards were the go to until you started to get into the very high budget cards.

[Yrrildur]

Are there no small pc/electronics shops in Denmark. Here in the Netherlands I go to one of the local pc stores (like 5 options within 10 km) and buy whatever I want there. They just give me a fair price for the bundle and build and install everything, unless I want to do it myself. I could even bring my own W7 and have them install it for free.

My advice for this kind of stuff is try to find out how you can get as much bang for your buck as possible. Usually I'm fiddling around at webshops for a week before I decide what I want to get and be happy about it.

Last thing to add, try to get a SSD drive. It just feels great to start windows in less than 30 seconds on my gf's laptop, compared to my pc where it takes like 3 minutes.

[Unproven]

I'm an amd-guy. Only had amds from since the k6 came out, but they're garbage for wow compared to the i3-5-7's, and since he want to play that you can't really suggest to play with that.
Dunno about Mantles performance there, but guess it's the same, sadly.

Just gonna ask about this aswell.
how much "truth" is there in that statement? that AMD's are worse for WoW?
or is that just personal oppinions shining?

[irralis]

Thirding the Radeon/Nvidia equivalence, with the caveat that if you intend to stream, Nvidia all the way. Shadowplay is absolutely fantastic.

I'm still not quite sold that buying an i7 is worth it, considering that most of the premium you're paying over the i5 is for hyperthreading, which has a pretty poor effect on game performance in general.

[Unproven]

I can call anything shit, doesn't make it true does it
The one thing AMD has over nVidia is Mantle (read more in my sig Radeon thread), but we currently can't test it, the beta drivers should be out 'today' (they were delayed) so you can wait a few days for results (again the same Radeon thread from my sig).

You can check my sig what kind of system I have.
I would recommend i7 if you can afford it and if you don't plan to buy new PC for the next 4-6 years, but towards the end of that cycle you will most likely have to play games on medium settings. If you plan and can afford buying 1k euro PC every 2 years then i7 is not worth it.
My last PC lasted for 6 years (Core 2 duo E8600 + HD5570) and I bought it with 4gigs of RAM when the 'norm' was 2GB for that time.

For average guy the most challenging will be 212 EVO installation (CPU cooler), there are easier solutions if you don't feel confident.
Basicly building PC is cake if you ever played with Lego or any other constructor. It's just figuring out where stuff goes and pushing it in until it clicks, but not forcing so much to break it. General rule: if you try to plug something and it's not going it, double then tripple check you have the correct socket.

Well throwing this kind of money i where kinda hoping for something able to live atleast more than 3-4 years (depending on how fast stuff is gonna go the next few years?? )

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Thirding the Radeon/Nvidia equivalence, with the caveat that if you intend to stream, Nvidia all the way. Shadowplay is absolutely fantastic.

I'm still not quite sold that buying an i7 is worth it, considering that most of the premium you're paying over the i5 is for hyperthreading, which has a pretty poor effect on game performance in general.

bwhaha. way to bad to stream stuff. none would EVER look at me paddling around spamming lightningbolts in a raid
so with THAT out of the way.. Radeon/Nvidia is pretty much equal i take it..?