New PTR build removes the stun aspect of charge?

[Aberrict]

You act as if warriors in PVP are charging everyone every 10 seconds and constantly stunning them, locking them out of gameplay.

I dislike changes (that are being made for the sake of PvP) that affect my raiding utility. No reason why they can't leave the stun in for NPCs and make rooting apply only for players.

[Deleted]

Warriors tears.. delicious

[Talgriv]

My one and only stun for PvE and now it's gone. Thanks a lot PvP.

Meanwhile, all the PvPers before hand: "Thanks a lot, PvE." Get over yourselves. PvE isn't the only aspect of the game. It might be all you do, but it's not all everyone does, and this is only on the PTR, it's not even a finalized change. To the whole, "Who casts anymore?" Try being a Resto Shaman, where we only have totems on CD, with 5 health if unglyphed (or even still 2-shottable with it) and... Riptide. Everything else we do has a cast time. Fire Mages, what instant do they have that is sufficient dps? Destro Locks? There are still classes that do have cast times. Ele Shammy with unfavorable RNG? Arcane Mages? Not 100% certain for Demo Locks, but they cast frequently as well. The classes that DO have instant casts that are spammable and do enough damage to be considered useful are that way BECAUSE they're unable to cast. There's a smalle arms race in PvP. Casters can DPS from range, melee gets gap closers. Casters can't cast anymore from melee's stuns and interrupts, instant cast spells are relied on.

Most important thing I'd like to say, though, is that it's not all about PvE. Some people care just as much about PvE as you do about PvP. You can make the argument, "PvP was introduced later on in the game, not at release," sure, but it's here now. There's no denying it's a major point of the game now. There are a lot of other classes that can pick up the slack, you don't need to be a one-man army. Nearly everyone else has an interrupt.

[Cover25]

Holinka ‏@holinka 1m
@Dalmasca7 @ExhilMD @thebghero The datamining gave an incomplete glimpse into the overall change. Warbringer is now a 3 second stun.

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Don't freak out, guize

EDIT: NVM

The charge stun is still being removed.

[sizzlinsauce]

it's a good change. its like warriors having 3 interrupts all with 20 second cooldowns pre nerf to roots.

[sjsctt]

The change sucks. No doubt. The root better be an actual root, unlike the "Root" from staggering shout.

[Anuibus]

Holinka ‏@holinka 1m
@Dalmasca7 @ExhilMD @thebghero The datamining gave an incomplete glimpse into the overall change. Warbringer is now a 3 second stun.

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Don't freak out, guize

because less uptime for a stun that will dr when we use it to close a gap is a great idea. oh wait, thats why warbringer has been terrible all expansion.

[Baracuda]

because less uptime for a stun that will dr when we use it to close a gap is a great idea. oh wait, thats why warbringer has been terrible all expansion.

How do you know it will DR?

[Anuibus]

How do you know it will DR?

because it was off the dr when the expansion hit and was changed to dr with other stuns in 5.2 which made nobody take it so it was then changed to the root effect it is now.

[Cover25]

How do you know it will DR?

If i remember Warbringer didn't dr with Shockwave when it was first released and was extremely op.

[Korgoth]

You anti warrior people need a quick look back to cata to show you why your celebrating is pure idiocy.

They changed charge before made it dr with all stuns, you know what Warriors did, we Specd Warbringer! for a 3s stun, AND YOU ALL COMPLAINED EVEN MORE, 3s CHARGE STUN, BLADESTORM, BOOOOM.

That is what is coming back. 1800 casters better bite down its coming in all the way.

[Roshar]

Charge now knocks a target to the ground, rooting the target (used to stun the target) for 3 seconds and reducing movement speed by 50% for 8 seconds.
Warbringer now causes Charge to stun the target (used to cause Charge to stun a target) for 3 seconds and reducing movement speed by 50% for 8 seconds.

[Leih]

This still seems pretty awful because as others have pointed out, with Warbringer being a 3 second stun it'll have to DR with all other "proper" stuns. Nobody wants their gap-closer to DR proper stuns, in PVE or PVP, so no one will take Warbringer and we're back to where we were months ago before they made Warbringer a root.

All I see is a nerf to charge stun. It's irrelevant how they change warbringer, cause it's not gonna be worthwhile.

Maybe the nerf is justified in PVP. I don't know, I don't PVP. But it's annoying to lose the PVE viability, especially because it's just another thing that differentiates good warriors and bad warriors in PVE gone. Back to standing in one spot spamming attacks instead of contributing to mob control, I guess.

[Baracuda]

Knockdown, that's pretty sweet.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Datamining failure. Course people freak out.

[Korgoth]

Charge now knocks a target to the ground, rooting the target (used to stun the target) for 3 seconds and reducing movement speed by 50% for 8 seconds.
Warbringer now causes Charge to stun the target (used to cause Charge to stun a target) for 3 seconds and reducing movement speed by 50% for 8 seconds.

Uhm wtf, wouldnt knocking down interrupt any current cast... so its just a stun with no duration + a root + a slow...

[Anuibus]

Uhm wtf, wouldnt knocking down interrupt any current cast... so its just a stun with no duration + a root + a slow...

knocks was changed to pins. So it reads -> Charge now pins a target to the ground, rooting the target (used to stun the target) for 1.5 seconds and generates 20 Rage.
its not going to interrupt.

[Leih]

Ah never mind, it was

[Sting]

Hurray, more pve utility down the drain, thanks pvp!

[SqueektheWeek]

warriors complaining about a nerf, LOL!

20 second cd on 1.5 second stun... sure almost 10% stun up time from just charge seems fair.