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  1. #221
    Quote Originally Posted by Cle View Post
    What is the point of having pummel and distruptive shout if they share cooldown? I would have taken charge change any day
    They don't share full CD. Disruptive Shout is still 40 secs, but you can't cast it within fifteen seconds of Pummel.

  2. #222
    Quote Originally Posted by Cle View Post
    Rogue is least played class? where is such statistic? I have always had impression that rogue is one of the most played class alongside with paladin and warrior and hunter.
    Since BC, rogue has been the least played class without interruption. This has been confirmed by blue post thrice, and also is trivially available off of any wow census website (the census websites showed rogues outnumbering locks at the end of cata, but a blue quickly stepped in and assured everyone that no, the ordering of classes had not changed).


    Also on topic- this rather shocking nerf was replaced with a much more kiddyglove nerf. This nerf essentially removes disrupting shout as a talent, its only advantages over pummel now being the range, the aoe, and the usability whilst spin-to-win- I would assume that another talent in that tier will become the go-to talent, netting only a mild nerf to warriors.

    This change is much more targeted to only hurt warriors versus casters. I like that charge isn't being hurt, but I really feel warriors will need further nerfs to bring them back to the ground.

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    OMG they learned from their mistakes and are making a better change. Maybe Ill have Phowl again... been awhile.

    I would assume that another talent in that tier will become the go-to talent, netting only a mild nerf to warriors.
    Yeah probably not as they all suck pretty hard now. Aoe Slow with rage cost, Aoe root that requires a slow on the target and breaks on any damage, or the interrupt that is CD locked. Hard to pick a clear winner in that junk pile.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrApple View Post
    The warrior QQ echoed across all the realms filling every lake with tears.

    This teaches us one thing. If your class gets nerfed you just go spam the forums with tears and QQ
    and the nerfs will be reverted.

    gg blizz... gg
    This happened to warlocks this expac, remember?

    But really this change is for the better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by apepi View Post
    This happened to warlocks this expac, remember?

    But really this change is for the better.
    It really is for casters. Now they wont get 3s charge stunned into reckstorm then interrupt while the warrior is storming on them.
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  6. #226
    Slow shout is actually pretty good, only thing it was not really used was because distruptive shout was so good.

    Warrior will still remain total anti-caster class, so much utility against casters, 2x spell reflect, atleast one interrupt, charge, heroic leap, stormbolt.
    Last edited by Cle; 2014-02-03 at 11:45 PM.

  7. #227
    Blizzard has already backtracked on this change, and in the next PTR build, charge will once again stun.

    Warriors do need a slight nerf in PvP (just look at which classes currently have the most representation over 2400 rating - hint, it's Warriors), but I'm not sure that charge stun is where they need to make the change. Just toning down their damage a bit, I would have thought, would be fine. Not sure why smaller changes in iterations isn't preferable to the sweeping changes blizzard often makes.

  8. #228
    Quote Originally Posted by Ranaas View Post
    asking again ;

    where the hell is mage nerfs?
    Frost Mastery got changed. Burst was nerfed. A lot.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vvulf View Post
    Blizzard has already backtracked on this change, and in the next PTR build, charge will once again stun.

    Warriors do need a slight nerf in PvP (just look at which classes currently have the most representation over 2400 rating - hint, it's Warriors), but I'm not sure that charge stun is where they need to make the change. Just toning down their damage a bit, I would have thought, would be fine. Not sure why smaller changes in iterations isn't preferable to the sweeping changes blizzard often makes.
    It will break PVE. People (both PVE and PVP) will still cry anyway.

    Blizzard has already stated, Warriors are too disruptive vs casters. Nerfing damage would do nothing to fix that.

  9. #229
    Quote Originally Posted by SodiumChloride View Post
    Frost Mastery got changed. Burst was nerfed. A lot.
    And they *still* do more burst than any other spec (aside from Destro, but if you get smacked by Chaos Bolt it's kind of your own fault...). Yes, Mages need a nerf, as do Hunters. While we're on the topic, Enh Shamans need to have their burst toned down and their sustained damage increased, damage modifiers need to not stack (Incanter's Ward + Prey on the Weak + Tricks + Skull Banner in 5s = 110k+ Ice Lances),

    Warrior damage really isn't that bad, DKs do *significantly* more, yet nobody seems to complain about them. The sharing CD on pummel/disrupting shout is the perfect change, so that's good. The only other thing I'd consider changing for Warriors is removing the Blitz glyph because it's kind of stupid and has no purpose outside of PvP anyway, so I think that would be a decent change. But really, I don't think it's necessary. I think this is a good change though, will certainly help casters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cle View Post
    Slow shout is actually pretty good, only thing it was not really used was because distruptive shout was so good.

    Warrior will still remain total anti-caster class, so much utility against casters, 2x spell reflect, atleast one interrupt, charge, heroic leap, stormbolt.
    Warriors haven't had 2x spell reflect for a good while.
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    Charge stun has always been there. Just that before they fixed it you could "jump" it, meaning that a warrior charges and you could just strafe and jump away so he wouldnt reach you to put up a hamstring and you could kep your distance easier. You still got stunned but not stopped if in the air. So it is iconic to have the charge stun no matter when the possibility to charge in combat was implemented, and it is a big deal to have it removed although I can see why.
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    I don't get it. I've gone AFK a million times to blow my bf so he'd get off my back and let me raid. What's the problem here? People have sex...

  12. #232
    Quote Originally Posted by Baracuda View Post
    Warriors haven't had 2x spell reflect for a good while.
    Spell reflect and mass spell reflect

  13. #233
    Quote Originally Posted by Korgoth View Post
    It really is for casters. Now they wont get 3s charge stunned into reckstorm then interrupt while the warrior is storming on them.
    No warrior worth his salt is playing reckstorm anyways (talking 3s).

  14. #234
    Bladestorm is pretty good in 3v3, atleast in 3 warrior comb

  15. #235
    Quote Originally Posted by chrth View Post
    They don't share full CD. Disruptive Shout is still 40 secs, but you can't cast it within fifteen seconds of Pummel.
    this is a straight up lie. There is no shared cd on pummel and disruptive shout.

  16. #236
    Quote Originally Posted by Illana View Post
    this is a straight up lie. There is no shared cd on pummel and disruptive shout.
    That's the point. There will be, instead of the Charge change.

    "We're going to revert the Charge and Warbringer changes from the 5.4.7 PTR and make a different change. Here's some context:

    We feel that Warriors are too disruptive vs casters in PvP at the moment. To a certain extent it's intended that it should be more difficult to get casts off if there's a melee DPS sticking to you, but Warriors just have too many options along those lines currently. That's part of the thinking behind the change to Charge: as a root, Charge would not interrupt casting, so it would be useful purely as a gap closer and rage generator, not as a way to lock down a caster.

    We're reverting it because, although we do think it's a good change and something we're likely to revisit in the future, it's a bit too big of an overall change for 5.4.7. There's a bit of a ripple effect here; making Charge a root certainly accomplishes the goal of scaling back Warrior interrupts, but it opens up some secondary issues (such as "what happens when you Charge a target with Hand of Freedom active?") that we'd need some additional time to clear up. Put another way, we wanted to nerf Warriors' ability to disrupt casters, not their mobility, and at this point in time the Charge change would have been a nerf to both.

    So instead, we're making a different change: Pummel and Disrupting Shout will have a 15-second shared cooldown. To be clear: Disrupting Shout will remain at its current 40 second cooldown, but you won't be able to use it within 15 seconds of using Pummel. Likewise, using Disrupting Shout will put Pummel on cooldown.

    We may still come back to the Charge change in Warlords, where all sorts of other changes will have happened (especially to CC) that allow it to make more sense, and we can spend more development and testing time on making sure it doesn't have any unwanted side effects. For now, the shared cooldown on Pummel and Disrupting Shout will fill our original intention of making Warriors just slightly less difficult to cast against."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cle View Post
    Spell reflect and mass spell reflect
    There's a difference betweeing something existing and people actually using it. No serious warrior takes it since they removed root/snare remove from intervene, Blizzard doesn't give a shit if warriors use it against you in duels.
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  18. #238
    Quote Originally Posted by Gordon View Post
    That's the point. There will be, instead of the Charge change.

    "We're going to revert the Charge and Warbringer changes from the 5.4.7 PTR and make a different change. Here's some context:

    We feel that Warriors are too disruptive vs casters in PvP at the moment. To a certain extent it's intended that it should be more difficult to get casts off if there's a melee DPS sticking to you, but Warriors just have too many options along those lines currently. That's part of the thinking behind the change to Charge: as a root, Charge would not interrupt casting, so it would be useful purely as a gap closer and rage generator, not as a way to lock down a caster.

    We're reverting it because, although we do think it's a good change and something we're likely to revisit in the future, it's a bit too big of an overall change for 5.4.7. There's a bit of a ripple effect here; making Charge a root certainly accomplishes the goal of scaling back Warrior interrupts, but it opens up some secondary issues (such as "what happens when you Charge a target with Hand of Freedom active?") that we'd need some additional time to clear up. Put another way, we wanted to nerf Warriors' ability to disrupt casters, not their mobility, and at this point in time the Charge change would have been a nerf to both.

    So instead, we're making a different change: Pummel and Disrupting Shout will have a 15-second shared cooldown. To be clear: Disrupting Shout will remain at its current 40 second cooldown, but you won't be able to use it within 15 seconds of using Pummel. Likewise, using Disrupting Shout will put Pummel on cooldown.

    We may still come back to the Charge change in Warlords, where all sorts of other changes will have happened (especially to CC) that allow it to make more sense, and we can spend more development and testing time on making sure it doesn't have any unwanted side effects. For now, the shared cooldown on Pummel and Disrupting Shout will fill our original intention of making Warriors just slightly less difficult to cast against."
    thanks for that.

    Good change imo, charge should keep its stun for sure

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crruor View Post
    No warrior worth his salt is playing reckstorm anyways (talking 3s).
    First I was talking about post charge nerf, where it would have become a lot more common due to the DR on warbringer.
    Second, its not bad in 3s, its situational. I like using it with WMD against caster setups.
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    Why bladestorm is not good talent? i think its very good in 2s

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