again. your opinions are far from fact.
honestly part of me wants to know what dungeon and what the tank was before i comment (and if heirlooms involved).
because when I was leveling my priest, running as disc, you never need to heal, even if u do i think you can nearly full health them in one cast, because i've healed (at least the lower level') dungeons as shadow, if the tank is respectful. and by respectful i mean to the point you aren't spamming and if a cc hits the healer you don't die in a few seconds of no healing. (heck i think there may be some dungeons were a feral, ret, enhance could keep a group up)
so if the tank is geared, even with an oom healer he shouldn't really of died if he knew what he was doing.
I feel bad for you in regard to the party being so rude but, as others have said, this may have been averted completely if you had been paying attention.
You did apologize which is fair enough imo, they should have moved on and left it there. People are so used to mass pulling everything in the dungeon these days that when the slightest thing go awry, people lost their shit, which is ridiculous. I am in favour of the debuff however, it stops people from mass /leave when anything does go wrong, especially if you're DPS and are forced to wait a good while between queues. The alternative is to end up like Flex raids, when after one wipe everyone fucks off.
If you HAVE killed a boss, you can leave without penalty! (You have to have killed a boss though; you can't leave if you enter a group already on the second. This works for LFR as well)
I put weight in actual solutions that fix what affects me - instead of going after some idealistic, naive approach of changing everything and everyone.
You don't see me creating threads about how awful LFD or anything of the likes is. Because i don't have that issue.
Must be coinsidence. Or perhaps i am actually not suffering from the issue, because i fixed it for my own part.
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And you seem only strengthening my point that you seemingly strive after litlle in the ways of achieving and solving - more then picking a fight.
Focusing on "X/Y/Z is wrong" and doing nothing PRACTICALLY to solve it - is just to champion vengeance and make yourself a victim.
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Yet you do it. Your logic is inconsistent, at best. Had i not known better, i would argue that you are just picking a fight.
You should understand, that Deserter Debuff has only one purpose - the prevent people from starting too many dungeon instances at once. Tank and heal - are those people, who can "start" dungeon instance. I.e. imagine there are 10x more DPSers and 2x more heals, then tanks, waiting in a queue. And dungeon is started only when tank/heal (depending on who is demanded more) enter queue. While players are waiting in a queue - Blizzard has no obligations to them (cuz players may do quests, dailies, pet battles - any other activities, while waiting in queue), but once instance is started - Blizzard has an obligation to end it, no matter how, cuz waiting for players inside instance with nothing else to do - isn't very interesting thing. That's why players inside instance has some priority to get tanks and heals. And now imagine, that you are tank. You enter a queue, start instance and leave it, then enter queue again, start another instance, leave again. And what will we have? Ton of started instances with players, waiting inside for ages?
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It's finding a solution to the issue - Your issue being playing in Toxic Groups -> Do not play in one.
And now you fulfill exactly my point. Somehow you are become the victim to someone "frothing at the mouth just trying to jump at people" - When i in fact have only presented counter-arguments and sheer logic for you to respond to.
Which simply boils down to that you are being very emotional and inconsistent - in face of simple arguments laid bare.
Dungeon deserter can suck. So does DCing in a BG and logging back in to a pvp deserter debuff. I wouldn't worry too much about it, just quest for a while. 30 minutes goes pretty fast.
The tank in your dungeon was pretty dumb. When I tank, I always check what spec my healer is, and that he's got mana, and that he hasn't afk'd and is in range to heal me before I start pulling stuff.
It's like waking up one day and deciding "hey, i wanna go play some basketball!" so you go down to your local basketball court and there are some people there looking for one more person so they can have even teams and play a game and you say you'll join them.
Then you demand they always pass you the ball so you can be the one to score every time and if they don't, you quit, because "you only wanted to play to score, and if you arent scoring you arent having fun".
It is the exact same shit children do. When they don't get their way, they have a hissy fit and refuse to keep participating. A lot of people actually have enough respect for others to not do things that deliberately screw them over. Some people, like that poster i originally quoted, and apparently you as well, think you're the center of the universe and only your own enjoyment matters at all.
If you have no problems being a dick to everyone else, that is your problem, and your lack of friends in your life will be the inevitable result, aside from shitty friends who are just as shitty as you. You don't HAVE to be a decent person, that is true. But you also don't HAVE to be a selfish prick all the time either.
I like ponies and I really don't care what you have to say about that.
The OP was partially at fault, but the larger problem of short tempers/quick kicks/rudeness/too much attention to meters, etc. in dungeons and LFR is the larger issue. It's kind of a community problem that won't be easy to fix. I've heard Blizz is working on some sort of ranking system (gold stars or points, maybe "likes" for being friendly in a run) for that kind of thing to try to help and I'm curious to see how it works out if implemented.
The meters thing and people thinking it's the end-all for lfr is what really drives me bonkers. So I can sit on Nazgrim in SoO and dps him the whole fight, not touch an add, dps through defensive stance, and if Recount says my dps is high in the meters I'm apparently doing a good job. Just an example but that kind of thing happens all the time. The meters can be a good tool sometimes, but it's way overused just like gearscore was a while back.
He has the equal rights to enjoy the game in his own way - whatever way that is, lest it be a banable offense which breaks the ToS.
Being selfish is not equal to being childish. Being selfish can just be the realism of not getting emotionally involved with stuff that you have no interest in.
And it's still a standing fact that you don't owe allegiance to someone you don't know. At least not in a Random Dungeon - in a Video Game.
Beyond this - you preach hypocrisy. Your selfish reasoning becoming the justification to why he himself should not be selfish.
And still, wether the person be Childish or not - Does not make it a legitimate argument to throw at people at the end of the day. It perhaps is valid in different context - But when the person legally agreed to use of a product that he/she funded himself or through others money?
Throwing a hissy fit - Yes, childish. Refusing to participate - Not so much. It could might as well be self-worth. Lest you consider every single "grown-up" to be a person who MUST bow down to others projected values of you.
Also - Your argument is yet again inconsistent. If it's only my issue being a dick to people - Why do you pain it out to be an issue for others? Not that it's less true - But it's still a contradiction of action versus argument.