When the final boss of the tier is down on normal. My raid group wants to progress on hc so badly (3/14 currently, which for us is actually pretty impressive), but I just don't give a shit.
A raid stops being fun when it consist of nothing but whining wankers who think THEY are the good ones and harp on everyone else in a passive aggressive way.
"Why are the adds still up!?!?!?!?", said the Warlock who was also on add duty with the other ranged.
"Some people need to shape up." said by the Enhance Shaman after the wipe due to failed interrupts.
When you stop making progress, nothing else matters.
Must be the atmosphere like you said yourself, OP.
Raiding gets reaaallly tiresome and dull if everyone have to tiptoe around to prevent any hostility or possible fights between the members.
ALSO when we wipe on norm mode farm bosses, because everyone deems it too easy.. When more than half of the group start slacking etc, a wipe is bound to happen
when proflex talks about his day
muting people in your voice chat thing works a lot. In the 10 man I raid in i have 1 person muted and my mood toward raiding has changed dramatically. I had him on mute since h lei shen progression till now when we are working on thok. And just a few days ago im looking at vent and im like "what the fuck is this M next to XXXXX's name?" *thinks* "oh yeah now i remember"
I remember back in ulduar my guild was clearing it all on hard mode I was getting fed up with raiding came home to be miserable for 4 hours. then I had 6 people muted and everything turn out better than expected.
When resto shamans and resto druids start whining that I snipe all their heals.
When i hit wall bosses with my guild - i love to raid with them but i cba to hit my head into wall for 2-3 months per 1 boss to kill those last few hc bosses
2-3 Weeks after progress is done.
I'm sorry but that doesn't sound like fun at all. Raiding in such a hostile environment ?! There must be some dicks in your team and/or some bad leadership to make that and muting a person permanently happen. How can you even mute a person like that? How is that a viable alternative when raiding?
in my current 10 man its 1 person and them talking does nothing for the raid, they dont call anything out and arent the raid leader. In the guild I was in back in ulduar times we cleared uld 25 hard modes I had people muted but its people that ddint contribute, wasnt the rl or gm. It was like 2 idiot mages a lock a rogue and a healer. nbd. And yes the guild did implode in pretty impressive fashion. some love pentagon between the officers and gm and loot.
Back when I raided it would stop being fun when people were tired and kept making stupid mistakes.
I was raid leader and just decided when that started happening we called the raid.
I was raid leading a casual team from dragon soul to about 2 month into tot
When it starts getting too serious. I don't raid for world or even server firsts and I'm fucking done listening to some guy scream and whine and bitch and moan for 17 minutes after each wipe.
At the same time of sick of wiping to the same shit over and over and no one doing anything about it because "we're not a hardcore guild, so it doesn't matter"