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  1. #181
    Quote Originally Posted by Garnier Fructis View Post
    Give me some explicit examples of regulations that are in place simply to keep out competition. The reason I ask is that most people I ask either cannot give me details about the regulation boogeyman, or they tell me "environmental regulations", which is a vague subset of the regulation boogeyman. I'm not going to deny that there are bad regulations, such a notion is obviously bullshit. But if you're going to rail against something, you should be able to give a legitimate example of your grievance.

    As a side note, I was listening to KPBS (or NPR? One of those) and the interviewer had a republican congressman on the show. She asked him if he could give one example of an unconstitutional act committed by Obama, and he proceeded to fall completely flat on his face because he couldn't name a single one; his only response was that they had a list compiled. Why compile a list if you're not gonna read it?
    I get asked this all the time and if you think about it they're common. Why do I need a taxy license to charge someone for a ride in my car? Why do I need a license to sell someone some tacos I made? The list goes on and on and there just that simple. If the epa sees an "endangered" species on my land I can't build anything on it like a business or apartments w/e.

  2. #182
    Only watched the first 4 minutes so far and it is already using the same misleading tactics it is saying others use, which I will say they do. The 22 dollar an hour minimum wage is cheery picking and he has some good points there but saying that a 40 billion dollar increase in spending is trivial in a 14 trillion dollar economy is ludicrous and misleading. For one that is a 14 trillion GDP, or gross domestic product not spending and giving the minimum wage workers a 40 billion dollar boost in spending would definitely increase their economic impact and make a noticeable difference for the economy.

    The other misleading point is saying that its just increasing the wage of minimum wage workers, while that is true its not realistic. Most people don't make the minimum is also misleading as most people make just above or around the minimum and raising the minimum would mean raising these as well, the entire bottom would come up with a new minimum so the 40 billion increase would be closer to 250 billion and that is a very low estimate without calculation, it could actually be closer to a trillion increase after a short period of wage adjustment after the increase. This would be a huge increase to the stagnant economy and is exactly what is needed.

    Its very clear that even unskilled workers are not being paid fairly and that short term profit focused companies are not only hurting their long term profits but the economy as a whole by paying the lowest possible wages and generating max quarterly profits most of which is not put back into the economy but paid to rich investors and ends up in overseas banks, taxed at a much lower rate because of the lower capital gains tax.

    Half of all stocks are owned by the one percent. The middle class doesn't have a stake in these corporations anymore. Its time to change that by paying employees what they are worth and giving them stock in their own companies so they're success is tied together. Employees make far less now than they use to at every level while CEO profits have gone from 20 times the average worker to over 400 times in some cases. While it may be a great model for CEOs, the middle class, the economy and even the companies themselves are hurt by this model and raising the minimum wage is a good start to getting back on the right track. Though a max wage would get there much faster, or a near max wage (90% top tax bracket), like in Denmark and 1950s america.

  3. #183
    Quote Originally Posted by Chrysia View Post
    There is 0 evidence that a minimum wage acts as a significant impediment to progress. There is some argument that it can be an impediment to small business startups, but raising the initial funds is already a barrier. Wages will always be another barrier, minimum wage or not.
    you didn't watch the video did you?

  4. #184
    Quote Originally Posted by Nostop it View Post
    I get asked this all the time and if you think about it they're common. Why do I need a taxy license to charge someone for a ride in my car? Why do I need a license to sell someone some tacos I made? The list goes on and on and there just that simple. If the epa sees an "endangered" species on my land I can't build anything on it like a business or apartments w/e.
    You need those licenses to ensure that the product/service you are providing are in compliance with federal standards for safety and health. Licenses are their to ensure a minimum quality of good.

    The EPA protects endangered species because biodiversity is important to the health of the planet, which we and our children will have to live on.

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  5. #185
    Quote Originally Posted by vindicatorx View Post
    See the thing about that is those people who opt to work those shitty jobs didn't do anything to be able to get a better job. I used to be one of them I'm in my 30's and about to graduate from college.
    That is pretty awesome, but I think the problem still remains: even if everyone worked to get a better job, there are not enough better jobs and someone still has to do the bad ones.
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  6. #186
    Quote Originally Posted by Nostop it View Post
    you didn't watch the video did you?
    I did. I'm simply not convinced by it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nostop it View Post
    I get asked this all the time and if you think about it they're common. Why do I need a taxy license to charge someone for a ride in my car? Why do I need a license to sell someone some tacos I made? The list goes on and on and there just that simple. If the epa sees an "endangered" species on my land I can't build anything on it like a business or apartments w/e.
    This doesn't even make sense.

    Every tax has a purpose. Which taxes specifically are you referring to?

    Taxes on vehicles used for business would be to pay for the wear and tear on infrastructure (roads).
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  8. #188
    Quote Originally Posted by Nostop it View Post
    you didn't watch the video did you?
    Small business is hurt by the fact that they pay taxes while their large competitors don't or are subsidized, plus have lobbyists etc.. Basically large corps have unfair advantages over their competition. Remove corporate taxes and set the top tax bracket to 90% going down on a sliding scale and competition would increase exponentially furthering development and economic growth.

    As it currently stands the top tax bracket is so low they hardly pay taxes, not to mention lower capital gains taxes and that they don't even pay their fair share to SS.

  9. #189
    Quote Originally Posted by Decklan View Post
    This doesn't even make sense.

    Every tax has a purpose. Which taxes specifically are you referring to?

    Taxes on vehicles used for business would be to pay for the wear and tear on infrastructure (roads).
    I think he meant a taxi license for providing paid transport to people.

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  10. #190
    Quote Originally Posted by plat0nic View Post
    Actually its not silly at all. Anyone with half a brain working minimum wage should damn well be complaining. The cost of living vs. the minimum wage is absolutely rediculous. Your comment makes no sense, you are ignorant. You think people who are struggling to find work, who accept a job at rock bottom, don't want more?? If labour unions still had any power fast food workers and gas stations attendants nationwide would walk out and refuse to work until the minimum wage was raised to 15.00 an hour. The bare minimum it takes to do anything besides feed, clothe oneself and afford rent.
    The problem is this mentality. It's not ridiculous. Minimum wage isn't set there to be livable standards. Min wage is there as a minimum requirement by law places are forced to pay employers. These same jobs aren't meant for people to live comfortably or even live off the wage alone. You need to work multiple jobs if you're not going to put any effort into making yourself a better employee. Also if minimum wage was raised to $15 an hour, the only people it would hurt is the already crumbling middle class. EVERYTHING would be inflated more than it already has been due to the insane hike in minimum wage. On top of that it would absolutely crush the middle class because they would get nothing out of it except the loss of more money. Minimum wage jobs such as a gas station attendee or mcdonalds worker aren't meant to provide for a family, they are meant for kids in school or retired people who dont care where they work, it's a part time job for something to do. They aren't meant for a 29 year old to provide for their family. Get off your ass and try to be a better worker. It doesnt mean you have to stay at mcdonalds or walmart. Sometimes you need to seek new employment at a different company to make more money.

  11. #191
    Quote Originally Posted by Garnier Fructis View Post
    That is pretty awesome, but I think the problem still remains: even if everyone worked to get a better job, there are not enough better jobs and someone still has to do the bad ones.
    It is a tricky issue, as we either have to accept the faults of capitalism or hit the nail on the head when it comes to implementing socialist policies. Unfortunately as far as capitalism goes, humans are just as susceptible to supply and demand as any other resource. The more humans there are in an economy's workforce, the less each is worth.

  12. #192
    Quote Originally Posted by Chrysia View Post
    You need those licenses to ensure that the product/service you are providing are in compliance with federal standards for safety and health. Licenses are their to ensure a minimum quality of good.

    The EPA protects endangered species because biodiversity is important to the health of the planet, which we and our children will have to live on.
    My 2010 hyundai elantra doesn't comply with federal standards for safety and health? My full coverage insurance doesn't cover me and my passenger and the other driver in the other car should the accident be my fault? Are you going to tell me the Department of Homeland Security provides homeland security? You cannot be that naive going against people who have everything to lose like big corporations.

  13. #193
    Quote Originally Posted by diddle View Post
    Very insightful retort? I am a liberal, I vote democrat.
    I don't really give a shit about either of the two. What defines you when you discuss things is what you say and how you say it.


    Quote Originally Posted by diddle View Post
    That doesn't mean I agree with the ludicrously naive belief that a full-time job entitles one to the concept they should be able to entirely support themself.
    I am going to use that gem in my sig later.

    Civilized society is one where the weak and beaten are allowed a chance to lift themselves up. The goal is not capitalism, it is simply a means to an end. Our goal should be civilized society, without that we're nowhere but still cavemen fucking, eating and shitting while drawing on cave walls.

    A minimum wage means to supply people with just that, the means to sustain themselves. You are welcome to argue this all you like but the truth of the definition of this phrase lies simply in reading it.


    Quote Originally Posted by diddle View Post
    Capitalism is a cold mistress, you are given as much as your personal skill set gives to society.
    You don't get to have the monopoly on what a dynamic system like capitalism stands for.
    Quote Originally Posted by diddle View Post
    I am a liberal, I vote democrat. That doesn't mean I agree with the ludicrously naive belief that a full-time job entitles one to the concept they should be able to entirely support themself.
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    Cooking is a skill? In wow maybe.

  14. #194
    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    I don't really give a shit about either of the two. What defines you when you discuss things is what you say and how you say it.




    I am going to use that gem in my sig later.

    Civilized society is one where the weak and beaten are allowed a chance to lift themselves up. The goal is not capitalism, it is simply a means to an end. Our goal should be civilized society, without that we're nowhere but still cavemen fucking, eating and shitting while drawing on cave walls.

    A minimum wage means to supply people with just that, the means to sustain themselves. You are welcome to argue this all you like but the truth of the definition of this phrase lies simply in reading it.




    You don't get to have the monopoly on what a dynamic system like capitalism stands for.
    Settle down mate, we're just discussing economics. As idealized as you think society should be, and I would love it to be so, capitalism still follows the rule of survival of the fittest.

    Capitalism is not a goal, it is merely the most functional system we've found to be available.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrysia View Post
    I think he meant a taxi license for providing paid transport to people.
    It's still going to incorporate excessive amounts of wear and tear on city infrastructure (roads, bridges, etc.) into the cost. $20 or $100 or whatever it costs to get and maintain a taxi license is nothing compared to the cost of building and repairing infrastructure. It's why taxes work. it's all paid into a pool.

    His taxi would not be able to operate without the public infrastructure over which he does business. The usual rhetoric for Obamacare is that it's not "free" healthcare since it costs money in taxes. The same goes for anything that's taxed by local or federal government. The use of that road technically isn't free. You pay to use those roads when you buy a car (there are highway taxes when you buy) and also a gas tax.
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  16. #196
    Quote Originally Posted by Nostop it View Post
    My 2010 hyundai elantra doesn't comply with federal standards for safety and health? My full coverage insurance doesn't cover me and my passenger and the other driver in the other car should the accident be my fault? Are you going to tell me the Department of Homeland Security provides homeland security? You cannot be that naive going against people who have everything to lose like big corporations.
    Your 2010 Hyundai Elantra may have mechanical defects. The taxi licensing process includes a full vehicle inspection for faults and defects, as well as safeguards in effect for both the consumer and the service provider.

    The DHS is an entirely separate issue from any of the ones you brought up before. It's a redundant agency that I find retarded, but, again, entirely unrelated to anything we were discussing previously.

    Your last sentence is a complete non sequitur. The only way the people have a chance at challenging big corporations are through collective bargaining and government intercession.

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    Taxes for selling tacos? The FDA inspects your food products to make sure it isn't infected or bad so that you don't make your clients sick and get sued.

    Are taxes really so hard for some people to understand?
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  18. #198
    Quote Originally Posted by Nostop it View Post
    I get asked this all the time and if you think about it they're common. Why do I need a taxy license to charge someone for a ride in my car? Why do I need a license to sell someone some tacos I made? The list goes on and on and there just that simple. If the epa sees an "endangered" species on my land I can't build anything on it like a business or apartments w/e.
    You just listed three examples of good regulations.

    Taxi License: If you're going to be a taxi driver, you need a license because you must prove that you can drive other people safely, that you aren't a known dangerous person (who the hell wants a murderer fresh out of jail driving them around?), that you can actually communicate with the people your driving (I don't want to end up on the other side of town because I don't speak Spanish), etc.

    Tacos: Jesus, this one is so obvious it's painful. Food safety. Getting a food license usually involves demonstrating that you know how to safely prepare food. People shouldn't have to worry that the food they're buying doesn't meet basic safety and sanitation standards.

    Endangered Species: First, I think it's funny that you would single out this one regulation as a barrier to building stuff when you've got an enormous mountain of construction regulations to deal with. But to answer your point, I think the preamble to the Endangered Species Act sums it up perfectly: "these species of fish, wildlife, and plants are of esthetic, ecological, educational, historical, recreational, and scientific value to the Nation and its people;" You may not find this explanation wholly satisfactory I'll admit.
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  19. #199
    Quote Originally Posted by Decklan View Post
    It's still going to incorporate excessive amounts of wear and tear on city infrastructure (roads, bridges, etc.) into the cost. $20 or $100 or whatever it costs to get and maintain a taxi license is nothing compared to the cost of building and repairing infrastructure. It's why taxes work. it's all paid into a pool.

    His taxi would not be able to operate without the public infrastructure over which he does business. The usual rhetoric for Obamacare is that it's not "free" healthcare since it costs money in taxes. The same goes for anything that's taxed by local or federal government. The use of that road technically isn't free. You pay to use those roads when you buy a car (there are highway taxes when you buy) and also a gas tax.
    If I have to give detailed regulations then you can't use the rhetoric " taxes pay for roads". The gasoline tax yes but not the income tax.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garnier Fructis View Post
    That is pretty awesome, but I think the problem still remains: even if everyone worked to get a better job, there are not enough better jobs and someone still has to do the bad ones.
    Simple economics of supply and demand if you need people to work for you and there aren't many people looking for that kind of work, you will have to pay them more to get them to work for you. Hence why garbagemen make what they do.

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