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  1. #21
    Quote Originally Posted by MyLifeIsRandom View Post
    1. I play on Hyjal as Horde, and Whisperwind as Alliance. Both are PvE realms, and I enjoy and engage in both PvE and PvP equally.
    And? You still can PVP on a PVE realm after the change, if there are enough people who choose to. If there are not, and the only way of for example to get a PVP achievement like the bloody coin ones was to trick other people into something they don't want or enjoy, you might want to ask yourself who is playing on the wrong realm type.

  2. #22
    If you're requesting that the way players are flagged and what for be overhauled, then ignore anything I say. I agree entirely that as best Blizzard can make it, PvP should only be enabled by clearly willing participants. If you're whining because you "mis-clicked" someone standing on your loot, or target healed a flagged player, you need a time-out.

  3. #23
    Quote Originally Posted by Aeluron Lightsong View Post
    That's not even remotely what this is for.
    Avoiding dying is exactly what it's for.
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  4. #24
    Quote Originally Posted by Beartastic View Post
    How do you accidentally flag yourself and get ganked? Griefers are those guys that you see camping PvP realm starting zones for new content while players are trying to level their alts IE: Pandaria starting zones.
    Some players just don't know how to target mobs without targeting flagged players. Are they stupid for getting themselves flagged? Yes. Could they have changed their settings to target only NPC mobs and not other players? Yes. Should they stay away from tab targeting in those situations? Yes. Are other players assholes for being flagged on a PvE realm and jumping in their path to get them to flag? Absolutely.
    People who do it deliberately are griefers. And they are about to lose their "fun".

  5. #25
    Some smart heals target whomever needs them whether they are in your group or not. I can be at about Cranegnasher and smiting a bird. My atonement decides to heal someone engaged in pvp combat, and I start getting "-250 rep August Celestials" for guard kills that I don't even see or get my face smashed in by a guard for "pvp".

  6. #26
    How does one accidentally flag ones self? Casting AOE near an enemy? No. Tabing the wrong target and casting a spell? Yes. SO be less careless and avoid it. In 8 years of play I never MISTAKENLY flagged myself.

    If there are other ways I am missing please let me know.
    READ and be less Ignorant.

  7. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by SL1200 View Post
    That would be fine, but now you got things like the censor that allow faction on faction pvp. I'm tired of some asshole dancing around the celestials, ordos, and other rares trying to flag people.

    It's long overdue.
    I agree. PvP in a PvE world just doesn't belong. It is only there for the amusement of the player who loves PvP.

  8. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by SL1200 View Post
    That would be fine, but now you got things like the censor that allow faction on faction pvp. I'm tired of some asshole dancing around the celestials, ordos, and other rares trying to flag people.

    It's long overdue.
    Click with care to avoid flagging.
    READ and be less Ignorant.

  9. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by Puri View Post
    And? You still can PVP on a PVE realm after the change, if there are enough people who choose to. If there are not, and the only way of for example to get a PVP achievement like the bloody coin ones was to trick other people into something they don't want or enjoy, you might want to ask yourself who is playing on the wrong realm type.
    I like the way you think.

  10. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by IIamaKing View Post
    How does one accidentally flag ones self? Casting AOE near an enemy? No. Tabing the wrong target and casting a spell? Yes. SO be less careless and avoid it. In 8 years of play I never MISTAKENLY flagged myself.

    If there are other ways I am missing please let me know.
    Accidentally right clicking the guy sitting on his mammoth on top of the mob you're trying to loot.

  11. #31
    Quote Originally Posted by IIamaKing View Post
    Click with care to avoid flagging.
    Should not have to perform extra steps to avoid assholes.

  12. #32
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    Quote Originally Posted by IIamaKing View Post
    How does one accidentally flag ones self? Casting AOE near an enemy? No. Tabing the wrong target and casting a spell? Yes. SO be less careless and avoid it. In 8 years of play I never MISTAKENLY flagged myself.
    I find that hard to believe. I suppose you could just sit there and take it when I park my flagged druid and her proto-drake over the Lunar Festival merchant, surrounded by guards. I've gotten a lot of people killed with this. Epic amounts actually.
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  13. #33
    I still say you all should make an effort to report the griefers. As I said before, PvP is only the medium through which they try to bother you. If they are there, dedicating significant time and effort just to screw you over, then they're the type to do it elsewhere in-game too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IIamaKing View Post
    Click with care to avoid flagging.
    That's kind of hard when a Hordie is taunting your ass getting in your face while trying to do something and vice versa for Horde.
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  15. #35
    Quote Originally Posted by melodramocracy View Post
    Avoiding dying is exactly what it's for.
    No... It's for prevention of forced participation in an activity (pvp) that you don't want to participate in.

    Of course one could say that it is in order to prevent people from dying... But that same argument could be made for zones with specific character levels in mind, so that players don't get skullf*cked by level 90 elites when they are running level 20 quests.

    It's one thing to die a few times to things tailored for your level. It's quite another to participate in a death marathon that pretty much halts your progression for no other reason than rewarding the perpetrator with a false superiority stiffy.

  16. #36
    Quote Originally Posted by IIamaKing View Post
    If there are other ways I am missing please let me know.
    I can start casting a heal on a player who is not flagged, then he gets flagged while I'm casting, and due to latency I cannot prevent being flagged. Enough hairsplitting?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MyLifeIsRandom View Post
    I still say you all should make an effort to report the griefers. As I said before, PvP is only the medium through which they try to bother you. If they are there, dedicating significant time and effort just to screw you over, then they're the type to do it elsewhere in-game too.
    Reporting pvp flagbaiters is not going to result in any action taken. It's not a zone disruption or even against ToS. The convenience for PvE players to opt out of PvP entirely whilst on a PvE server is perfectly acceptable. The idea it can somehow be exploited is going to be exceedingly rare.
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  18. #38
    Or you can call some of your buddies together and destroy said asshole then grief him?? I play on pve realm and if someone is flagged pvp they're fair game and if you can see them flagged why not kill them instead of just sitting and crying about how he's on top of your loot mob

  19. #39
    Quote Originally Posted by IIamaKing View Post
    How does one accidentally flag ones self? Casting AOE near an enemy? No. Tabing the wrong target and casting a spell? Yes. SO be less careless and avoid it. In 8 years of play I never MISTAKENLY flagged myself.

    If there are other ways I am missing please let me know.
    As I mentioned in my earlier post, I'm fairly sure the paladin Glyph of Mass Exorcism can chain to pvpers. I wasn't changing targets on Dread Ship, HoW wasn't up and my Judgement wasn't on CD when I got flagged. I don't have another ranged move that I could have flagged myself with, I didn't heal anyone and the only AoE I used was Exo.
    If Goku's power level increases at the same rate till the end of DBGT as it does till the end of the Frieza saga, as a SS4 Goku would have a PL of roughly 939 Quinoctogintillion. For reference that is a 260 digit number. A PL of 14,600 is required to destroy an earth sized planet. There are about 2 nonillion earths worth of mass in the universe. That means SS4 Goku can destroy the universe about 32 Octosexagintillion times over. There's a reason they made Goku a god at the end of GT.

  20. #40
    I'm not saying that the new system will be exploited. I'm saying that the players who are the type to fuck with others like this will find another way to do so.

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