It'll be included in the next simcraft update, I'll probably push an update next week.
It'll be included in the next simcraft update, I'll probably push an update next week.
A simply google search will pull up a couple similar and a few very well done/better; but this is more "direct from the horses mouth" kind of info for people who frequent these forums but don't know how/aren't interested in google searching around, and hopefully broken down and aimed more at Warriors in particular.
Getting on google and searching something that I don't know is instant-second nature to me, but it still boggles me how many people never think of it, or simply refuse to do it.
long ago in the days of yore, people discussed it out in the open on elitist jerks, nowadays, there's no easily digestable theorycrafting going on in daylight. why is that?
as i mentioned earlier in the thread, i don't think i personally have anything to contribute, but you never know.
But just for 5.4 I think these people need shout outs for what they've done here on these boards. Archi wrote a kick ass guide, as did reqi for Arms and Fury. Sarri put together a great BiS list. Sjc has been great at answering questions on "Fix DPS" thread. And collision has been doing his Collision Math (TM) all over the place.
For the future, it's going to depend. I've been trying to get a website up and running, but I have literally no experience doing so so it's slow (that and work+ not much going on in WoW so little to put up. But keep an eye on www.deeperwounds.com someday :P)
As WoD nears and as we get more information, expect more to come about. It should be a bit clearer now that we have a solid core of people to work with. The goal is to make MMO-C warrior forums *The* best class forums. Which I think they currently are. I'd like to get my site rolling for video guides/more blog type stuff as a compliment to what we have here.
But there really isn't anywhere else for theorycrafting warriors. EJ died early cata or maybe even before. But honestly there are easily 10+ warriors who frequent these forums who can answer (almost) or maybe all questions, and not with some made up "I think this is best" but more "Data supports doing it this way" answers.
There is also the issue that with warriors in their current iteration, there really isn't much "mathy" style theorycrafting to do. Our talents are fairly straight forward, and there really isn't much to change rotation wise to discuss. Being good at a warrior is all about knowing the class. And thatis really really had to teach via text, and really hard to explain. There are just so many variables. It's not like a DK where you can change around mastersimple/modified mastersimple/normal DW and get various results with various levels of gear, and where BT/macroed BT/RE/RC all interact with different specs in utility and play. It's more straightforward, but way harder. The "theorycrafting" tends to come at the start of tiers/expansions, and dry up later on.
Last edited by Darkfriend; 2014-02-13 at 02:43 AM.
Not that involvement is a bad thing by any stretch! It just makes it harder to filter.
EJ was a good forum and I was pretty active there as well throughout BC and Wrath, but it was very much carried by a handful of individuals, once they lost interest it started to crumble, but the reason EJ worked so well is because of its powerful banhammer. Without that, we have to be a little more organized about the way we deliver information here, so that the information doesn't get lost in a sea of voices.
Everything we discuss gets brought back here by one of us; whether its a lengthy math post by Collision (ex: his post on Haste scaling for WoD), a PvE Raid guide, this SimCraft guide, or just random answers and general advice. The whole point of our little group is to bring more, better information back here.
As you can tell, I didn't swap to a DK... thankfully. Early beta MoP fury was ... uhhh.... confused?
Blanks will be filled in with:
Colossus smash > Bloodsurge Wild Strike > Raging Blow > Battle Shout > Wild Strike
Wild strike hits harder than a colossus smash heroic strike, so there's no reason to use heroic strike as our rage generation isn't high enough to support it.That was the dark days when enrage increased rage generation, and would have been based only on specials critting, along with a 6 second cd bloodthirst with +40% crit chance.When will an enrage happen if you're waiting on it? I'm assuming the following, where you have just used BT and it didn't proc enrage, which means you are forced to use wild strike instead.
.88 = 88% chance of no enrage
.88^2 = 77%
.88^3 = 68%
.88^3*.48 = 32%
.88^4*.48 = 28%
.88^5*.48 = 25%
This was back when bloodthirst crits gave raging blow, and enrage procs came from auto attack swings. Bleh.I don't like:
The chance for Bloodthirst to be a critical strike increases the longer it has been since you have been Enraged
That's just awful design for an ability. How much does the chance increase per second? Does this mean that at the start of an encounter our bloodthirst is guaranteed to crit since technically we are not enraged out of combat?
I tended to stay away from the mmo-c forums early on, the community was really... toxic? I suppose.
I mainly posted on the official wow forums, and still do post there pretty often. I suppose the main issue is that there has been no centralized source of information ever since EJ's community kind of fell apart, and there was a lot of individual theorycrafting that for whatever reason was never shared.
The skype thing was put together not to restrict flow of information to the public, but to help put together better guides for everyone to use. It's hard to collaborate with people on a forum, and that opened up the floodgates. I don't think the arms guide on here would have been nearly as good as it is without some of the work that went on in that collaboration.
Theorycrafting has gone from the older days of a few authoritative people gracing people with nuggets of information to something that is now far closer to a peer-reviewed journal. I believe this approach is the way to go as it no longer relies on a few people, and thus if someone quits the game there isn't a huge loss of information. An example this expansion is Landsoul's Spreadsheet, or the lack of. He's done a lot for the community, and nothing will take that away from him, but he's been MIA most of the expansion most likely due to his new job (?). If we were all relying on him, then there would have been a serious lack of information all expansion.
We're looking at creating a centralized source for the next expansion, so that there's no longer any question of where to go for good information.
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I must say that I've recognized the lack of theorycrafting information since Cataclysm as well. I was always dependant on Landsoul's work (I have access to his paid area which has not been updated since all MOP).
Coming back for ToT and SoO progression I must say that these forums here are in a pretty good shape when it comes to good information. Someone who is willing to put in effort will find everything he needs to in this place. And I just wanted to say thank you to everyone involved who keeps this place running and shares his deep knowledge and wisdom of the class (archi, sjctt, darkfriend, collision, sarri and many more). I hope you guys will continue to do so in the future and you guys keep playing and sharing information with the rest of us. It is greatly appreciated. I can just imagine how much work you guys put into this stuff for free and no words can express how greateful we as community should be to have people like you helping others. (end of e-peen stroke)
Can someone enlighten me what's with the Jalopy jokes here? I was under the assumption that he is also a really good guy and I was so thankful for his awesome Tell Me When Setup which is just really great work.
Can someone tell me how to set up Simcraft for tanks please? I followed the starter guide from Sacred Duty (http://www.sacredduty.net/2013/07/16...tting-started/) but I'm getting really weird values.
Here are the scale factors for my character: http://i.imgur.com/n3Gi5Bl.jpg
Here are the settings I'm using: http://i.imgur.com/8MUZcy9.jpg and http://i.imgur.com/R9myjl2.jpg
Where am I going wrong? My character is http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/characte...intie/advanced in case there's something there.
Some of the tweets:
I think Darkfriends guide is still good, as once simcraft can accurately do TMI then there would be only the one step to be added for Protection ( Changing to scale over TMI, and choosing a boss level ).
I try to avoid the protection warrior code, but I'll look into it and see if there is anything obvious. The one thing that jumps out me is that your error range is massive. Maybe TMI just requires way more iterations to get decent results?
Also, I don't hold a candle to Theck Math, that's just a whole different level.
Last edited by CollisionTD; 2014-02-14 at 01:50 AM.
Collision, don't sweat it too much. Since it sounds like it can affect Pally's too, you can rest assured Theck probably wants it fixed himself . I'm not in a big rush and Sloot is probably just trying to do epic dps, since i'm sure his healers can pull the slack.
It would be nice to have somewhere prot wars could go to get this kind of theory stuff done, but that prob requires a few more patches where we're this good . We def don't have much to complain about this patch!
The image above shows what the scale factors for Prot is in the BiS Sim-C profile. Unlike Fury or Arms, prot want's to minimize damage taken, so therefor instead of showing how much said stat would increase your damage, it instead says how much said stat will reduce damage taken.
Something to keep in mind, as we are an avoidance tank now a days, our "damage range" can be quite big, which is reflected in the stat weights. For instance, in the Sim above I DTPS swing of 15.6%.
One thing I'm noticing about the stat weights for prot warrior is that in mine and apparently in your example aswell it puts dodge at a higher priority than parry, but given glyph of hold the line shouldn't parry always be more important? Obviously simcraft doesnt take glyphs into consideration (afaik) but then is there a point in prot warriors simcrafting for stat weights or am I misunderstanding something?