Imputation of the Spanish King 's daughter.

[shise]

Spanish corruption is reaching heavy levels, our government, our Crown and the Justice System are all openly corrupted.


Consider this a little /rant of facts and frustration. Sure I can move out of here, but it doesn't change the fact of how sad it is to see your country like this.

About the Infanta Doña Cristina (King's daughter)
I have seen how the international media calls it as a justice move.

It is not, it's a fraud.

There is a leaked video the "trial" (imputation in fact). Someone fully recorded it, against the orders of the Judge Castro. There's an investigation about it, ordered by the Judge himself. On this short video of the full record you can see how she answers most of the questions as "I don't remember..." "I don't know how it works", "I don't know what my organization was created for" We can even see how the Judge shows her a document with her signature, one she didn't acknowledge seconds before.
It's in Spanish...
http://www.elmundo.es/baleares/2014/...61a8b456a.html
Facts:

Justice is NOT the same for all. They made an exception for her which didn't even apply for his husband Iñaki Urdangarin, allowing her to go by car until the very door of the court. Every other mortal has to go walking since cars are not allowed there.

There are enough facts to put a person in jail, but she is the King's daughter, therefore she's not going there, no matter what. Or else she'd be there by now. Many documents from Aizoon and Noos (the companies that she and her husband created and later used to scam) have her signature. She is mentioned and contacted in several emails, talking about certain money which is out of order.

She used vastly more than half a million euros of doubtful origin, it came out of the fraudulent "non profitable organizations" they had.

The best part: They have showed us most of those documents on tv and newspapers, just as they showed us the ORIGINAL accounting documents from our government, where it's clear how our current head government leaders perceived black money in the form of extra salaries, something as illegal as the money accounted from private companies to finance the government.

[diddle]

Sadly this won't get much attention simply due to how expected it is in any government with a corrupt monarchy.

[Wirzy]

Just let the justice do his work

The corruption is not as bad as it seems, only 5% reported paying a bribe in 2010 and for 2013 its been going down. On the other side our perception of corruption must be on the moon with those medias opening news with the "paseillo" as if it was something intersting or relevant.

If it is true that the history repeats, we will have the III Republic in less than 5 years. It has already happened two times lol

[Stir]

Sadly, it is all rather expected...
I mean: A country with resources and popularity the likes of Spain still being financially... Well; let's call it 'problematic' is a pretty strong indication of a culture of corruption in the... Let's call them 'higher classes.'
In such a society, there's this thing called 'private law.'

Edit: As for the 5% reported paying a bribe: That's bizarrely high, considering it takes a lot of money to bribe the judges, and nearly everyone is unable to shovel that kind of dough. Also: 'You scratch my back, I scratch yours' is still corruption, but it may not show up on the bribes list.

[Revik]

Take your bayonet and kill'em ALL.

On a serious note might want to start gathering up people for insurgence. Time to take some action rather than complain.

Give them the girl and WIPE AWAY the DEBT.

[Reeve]

Once I was the King of Spain.

Now I eat humble pie.

[Wirzy]

Sadly, it is all rather expected...
I mean: A country with resources and popularity the likes of Spain still being financially... Well; let's call it 'problematic' is a pretty strong indication of a culture of corruption in the... Let's call them 'higher classes.'
In such a society, there's this thing called 'private law.'

Edit: As for the 5% reported paying a bribe: That's bizarrely high, considering it takes a lot of money to bribe the judges, and nearly everyone is unable to shovel that kind of dough. Also: 'You scratch my back, I scratch yours' is still corruption, but it may not show up on the bribes list.

Yes, that's true. Both major political parties has been proved that they have been financed illegally financed at campaigns. In Spain it is illegal for the parties to receive more than 60 000 € from individuals or companies, so they collected unwashed money or created foundations, financed by public money, in order to pay their campaigns.

But that's not the real problem of our financial trouble, our first crisis was caused by the major global economic failure and the high exposition of the banks to the "national subprime bubble", just like on the US. The difference is that in Spain we had a lot of small banks (caja de ahorros) partially ruled by the politicians and instead of saving them and privatizing them, we made a different rescue with the "preferentes" and spent the money we had on more construction (Plan E) due to the socialist politics of investing more. Four years after having the banks without credit, we have had to rescue them with the same methods used around the world in 2008.

Obviously the 5% is high but it need to be compared to see where we are. The next are the results of 2010 (watch on question 6 to see the results of 2013):

Mexico: 31%
Russia: 26%
Greece: 18% (similar)
Italy: 13% (decreasing)
France: 7% (decreasing)
USA: 5% (which in 2013 appears to be booming)
Spain: 5% (decreasing)
Germany: 2% (no data)
UK: 1% (which in 2013 appears to be booming)
Denmark: 0% (just can't decrease)

Obviously, we are not the US, but we can't ignore that the results are similar which means that both countries high spheres are similar. What i want to explain with this is that we are not in a "problematic" situation only because of the corruption, but due to the failed economic decisions mixed obviously with other local factors.

Now, we replaced the government with another clown whose economic solution is to destroy the economy in order to restore it. I will come here an judge him in 3 years. But yes, sadly, our future is quite pessimistic.

PD: sorry for my English, I usually visit this forum mostly to improve and practice my English.

[Tradewind]

Once I was the King of Spain.

Now I eat humble pie.

what kind of strange individual drops Moxy Fruvous references...that's just sickening!!

[Thunderball]

What you have has nothing to do with openly corrupted. Just look at the post above and check the numbers in Russia and Mexico. Since I'm Russian myself I'll give you a roundup. Corruption levels in Mexico and Russia are most likely not dramatically different than some of the countries that are high on that list (like Italy or France). The difference is: people here except a person of power to be corrupt AND they expect to be paying bribes, and are pretty sure most people do pay them (which is not entirely true). Moreover: they are not afraid to say that they give bribes (even though it's a crime) because they are pretty sure that the people who should keep track of those things give bribes too. So it has become kind of a secret that everyone knows about ("sekret polishinelya" that's what we say in russian). But for that kind of thing to happen you should have a prologned time of stupidly high corruption that noone wanted to mess with. We, unfortunately, did have, in 90s.

[TrumpIsPresident]

Sadly this won't get much attention simply due to how expected it is in any government with a corrupt monarchy.

Like the United States of America and...

Fast & Furious
IRS
Benghazi
EPA
ACA
DOJ
Drone Strikes
Solyndra
etc

[plat0nic]

Once I was the King of Spain.

Now I eat humble pie.

Oh... my unspeakable wife, Queen Lisa now I eat humble pie

[shise]

Just let the justice do his work

The corruption is not as bad as it seems, only 5% reported paying a bribe in 2010 and for 2013 its been going down. On the other side our perception of corruption must be on the moon with those medias opening news with the "paseillo" as if it was something intersting or relevant.

If it is true that the history repeats, we will have the III Republic in less than 5 years. It has already happened two times lol

It sounds like you are Spanish.

About your first point, related to corruption, you are completely wrong and here is the proof:
http://www.transparency.org/cpi2013/results

Spanish political corruption in numbers:
November 2009: 730 cases against public corruption, 264 PSOE (second political party) 200 PP (government)

May 2012: 800 cases against public corruption. 100 of those were involved in the past elections.

2013 and the current year simply keeps going on. The problem is that we have way too many politicians who do what they wish with the public money, we see that nearly every day from reports all over the country.


Then you say, "let the justice do his work". There I want to believe that you definitely you are not Spanish, because if you are Spanish ,you simply can't ignore the FACT that our Justice System is plain corrupted. When the judges who have the ability to erase political corruption are chosen by those corrupted politics, how can you expect justice to do it's job?


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But that's not the real problem of our financial trouble, our first crisis was caused by the major global economic failure and the high exposition of the banks to the "national subprime bubble", just like on the US.

That is also a mislead.

Out financial trouble started in the 60's when Francisco Franco began what later on become our doom, the Spanish housing bubble. Bricks were set all over the country without any kind of control and, later on, our grandparents suffered the consequences.
However, we didn't learn anything and we fall for it again. Of course the so called international "crisis" helped, but we simply wouldn't have got any "crisis" if we wouldn't have stepped over the same stone again.

The banking issues, (mostly Bankia), are a mere consequence of our politic corruption.
Everyone can just google translate this site:
It's a bit mroe info about how the politics and others who ruined the Bank got payed several million of Euros as grounds for compensation, funny, isn't it?
http://www.eleconomista.es/empresas-...ku8sp8CtB8aFit

It would laso be interesting to know why Emilio Botín, Santander's director, isn't in jail with all his family for millionaire tax evasion. There was an attempt to judge his family but it was abruptly stopped.


Our corruption is all about politics thinking in the short time in order to "buy" their votes to prolong their time in the power; that way they can become richer and, by the end of their power time, they simply join companies such as Iberdrola, Telefónica or Banco Santander... Then you check their politics and you come to this conclusion: The country got worse and the companies they later on joined are, casually enough, better than they were before.


Then we can talk about Baltasar Garzón, probably one of the best (if not the best) judges in the world. He was taken apart as soon as he got hints on the current Spanish political corruption.