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Last edited by almara2512; 2014-02-16 at 03:52 AM.
As for OP, PBI is better for both specs. A 580 KTT is better than a 561 BBoY. But once you get a heroic BBoY, that will be better.
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destros high focused damage? hitting the top of the meters as destro is all about meter padding / shadowburning adds (cheesing dps) ...
single target at decent ilvl they are maybe close to even, with aff slightly ahead. Once you have enough gear to hit the 13.7k haste pt affliction is noticeably better purely single target unless it's not played decently.
In any tangible mechanics cases destruction has better high focused damage. We're not talking about padding the top of the meter, we're talking actual effective damage for putting important damage where it matters.
For the umpteenth time, afflictions dps is carried by its opener and short fight lengths this late into the tier. That's literally all it has going for it.
Shadowburn cheesing how so? I instantly cast an execute for a free Ember I can then use on boss or Havoc the boss and *shadowburn snipe* adds for full boss dmg.
Either way its not a loss. Oh and those adds have to die in raids I'm pretty sure you can agree shadowburn is pretty fast.
Affliction is known to deteriorate the longer the fight lasts (oh and you can *cheese* adds with drain soul for shards)
Oh and come tell me how it padding meters on fights like Paragons and I also admit it feels cheap being multidotting on Protectors.Shamans also with that GG 4 Target opener
Destro will pull ahead and 100% of the fights in SoO you can effectively use Havoc even juggernaut. (Havoc him and dps mines double embers same as single targetting him)
Aff only pulls ahead depending on the raid comp tricks etc and how long the fight is.
You can also pull 500k destro DPS on Sha without even 1 tiny bit of cheesing.
All this "Aff is always better", "Destro is just cheesing" or vice versa is realy annoying!
Yes there are several bosses where you CAN cheese with a spec. But even if the first 20 people in WoL have cheesed that way, that does not mean that the same specc is completely inferior if you do not cheese on the boss.
Both speccs have their viability and getting ranked in the top 50 never has anything to do with the viability of the specc but only with a high ammount of proccluck, cheesing and an encounter tactic that favors exactly this specc you play.
And btw it is completely retarded to tell a player who is in progress (especially if he doesn't play 25men aka "lol ignore all boss mechanics and pop heal CDs") to play aff, as destro has so much more survivability.
Last edited by Melian; 2014-02-24 at 01:50 PM.
Not that I want to start a debate about 10 vs 25, I was just taken back that you potentially actually think that you can just "lol ignore!" mechanics in either difficulty.
On topic: Totally agree with the point that its a poor idea to recommend someone play aff while they're still doing progression.
Aff blatantly outperforms destro on all bosses but garrosh and perhaps shamans if the blobs need aoe damage.
And since its progress, aff is a much better specc than destro in terms of movement and so on, which tends to happen a lot on progress bosses. So I don't see how its a poor choice.
Last edited by Renaky; 2014-02-24 at 08:08 PM.
I did Aff on 6 fights during H progression.
Protectors, Norushen, Nazgrim, IJ, Malk, and Thok.
Pulled better numbers then our Destro Locks.
Also not sure people think Aff is only better on Protectors.
-Without cheesing on the adds on H Nazgrim and resetting him, I've destroyed Destro Locks on the meters and have way more damage on Nazgrim while having good add damage, all about unlimited shards and high Haunt uptime.
-For Norushen I'd say it's preference but again I have over 70% haunt uptime on alot of my parses and again beat all the destro locks I've run with, although this one depends alot on when you go down. You can also get trinket dots on Amalgam, swap it to all the adds, then swap it back to Amalgam at the end of the chain and have insane uptime on empowered dots like on Protectors while swimming in shards.
-For H IJ everything I've seen has Aff doing better on progression, especially since you sit back during progression where trinkets proc/2 min come up right at the Assault phase which lets Aff snapshot buffed dots and then reapply them between shock pulses, not to mention speccing KJC and losing like no dps when moving from all the mechanics in P1.
-Malk they're pretty even, depends on fight length and what you're comfortable really.
-Thok I pull way more dps on Thok while still having about 30M on the bats vs 40M on Destro, so I prefer it. This depends on running AV, saving on of your DS and 2nd pot for bats, and being comfortable with SS SoC and just constantly spreading it with empowered dots so you literally have 100% uptime on the very least DS+Pot dots + constant SoC AoE Spam.
Depends if you're comfortable with Aff though, I like Demo and Aff way more than Destro whether its progression or not. If you know how to play a spec and understand if it's good or not on bosses based on the mechanics it doesn't matter if it's progression. You would only play destro on progression because you aren't comfortable with other specs.
Last edited by Strifey; 2014-02-24 at 08:12 PM.
Shamans opener on 4 targets is padding? So you're saying its best to just single target 1 boss or 1 wolf? Don't all 4 targets need to die? Don't the bosses share health? And so by dotting them both, you're effectively doing double the damage to them? But wait, according to your logic its not padding to havoc and chaos bolt or havoc shadowburn but it is padding to multi dot?
Can you explain how effectively using havoc will make you pull ahead on 100% of the fights please? How's it going to help you beat an aff on shamans, protectors, malkorok, nazgrim, thok, norushen, sha, juggernaut (that mine example doesn't really result in much dps, surely not enough dps to make up for dots ticking during pulse phase and the long opener)..
Last edited by Renaky; 2014-02-24 at 08:57 PM.