Last edited by Dangg; 2014-02-13 at 08:00 PM.
Dichotomous 12/14H SoO 10-man
I'm mildly amused to see this thread, because a raid I run with (not the one I lead myself, obviously) was doing that for a few weeks. It was really out of character for the raid leader, too, who usually has a pretty solid plan for doing things. It was frustrating, and we wasted a lot of time sampling a bunch of fights and/or discussing strategy, only to move on.
I tossed up a thread on our raiding forums and whined about it and was generally irritating, and now we have a planned progression order. Huzzah. tl;dr bitch about it more
(Seriously, if your guild uses forums, put up a long post rationally arguing your case. Get everyone to discuss, and hopefully arrive at an agreeable plan going forward)
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There's no point to testing out bosses. Look at wowprogress stats and read up on strats while considering your comp and the progression order should be obvious.
Sounds like you basically just need to yell at your raid leader, in whatever seems like the most appropriate and mature way. Bouncing around from boss to boss is an extreme waste of time.
Also just 2-heal Norushen.
2 DPS + Healer
2 DPS + Healer
Tanks/Healers alternate for the rest of the fight and DPS never need to go in again, and just stand around and turret the boss.
We one shot H Norushen back in September with this strat after only one clear through Normal so with your raids gear this should be an absolute cake walk.
I'd strongly suggest arguing against the 3 healers for all fights rule as well because that's ridiculously far from necessary and will hinder your raid significantly.
As part of a 2 man RL I can understand the want to let Ur raid SEE the fights Ur first week or two (depending on how many days a week raid) but after that u guys should be strapping in foe the long haul and going at the boss with the full intention of killing that before moving on. Our frst week of H program we put and hr into Imm, noru, and sha.. the next week I wouldn't let them leave until we killed at least Imm.. then Imm and noru.. this week it was Imm noru, sha.. u have to realize if Ur raid has 10N on farm what kind of moral hit Ur raid takes wiping on a boss for hrs. Sometimes it is best to just move on. Sometimes u have to force them to recognize H progression is slow and painful and to suck it up. The way I did it was by letting them see how much easier normal was when they could be putting more effort into heroic kills for heroic gear. After a few kills my raid got the taste for blood again and now they will stay in a fight until I'm content with how much progress we have made, or we get the kill.
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If you're a boomie/resto offspec then I have a proper raid team for you.
Is it necessary? Nope. But it hurts very little and gives you an extra security blanket that made our progression easier.
you know its better to do heroics one at once, everyone knows. what are you trying to find out exactly??
how to tell you raid leader that hes an idiot?? there ill show you : "dear raid leader, ur a fuckin idiot and ur wasting ur whole raid's time"
what else do u want exactly???
As a raid leader for more than two years, that is the dumbest strategy for progression I've ever heard of. My raiders would crucify me if I did that.
If nothing changes, if you can put up with it for a few months longer know the end is in sight: in WoD they said at Blizzcon you can't jump bosses like you can now. You have to go through in order. That sort of forces them to stop jumping.
tell your raid leader he needs to focus on downing one boss first before he moves to other ones, it makes no sense to change progression just because you feel like another boss may be easier than one, most of them are around the same difficulty, just diff mechanics
Your RL is an idiot. There has been 1 instance ever where we skipped a boss we had spent time working on to work on another- and that was due to a hard DPS check we couldn't meet the first few weeks into MOP.
There is often issues beyond what you see, just as you may be annoyed with this strategy, there may be others in your guild who simply don't want to beat their head on a wall whole night and I can understand that too - nothing more frustrating than 3 hours straight of wipes.
Also, it could be that the raid composition at that point was less than optimal. I mean, we had that issue too in SoO on some HC Sha and Shamans attempts, where we had one particular healer standing in fire like an idiot all the time and getting gibbed in like 80% of the tries and wiping us with projections on 20% others and at that night we had no replacement healer available, so we just moved on instead of wasting time.
Maybe you just don't see and understand those things, while officers actually do. In our raids we have an experienced raid leader and a good officers team and all their decisions regarding what we do next are taken as a team, I don't think that those decisions in your guild are taken solely by raid leader as well.
Also, the best course of action in this case is not to make a drama or try to prove your point in chat, but to open a good-natured thread on your private guild forum stating your opinion (and not presenting it as a fact).