"All guilds are full of assholes", "Raiding with a guild is a job", "Every progression guild is like boot camp and has an oppressive environment", I'm sorry but you've either just had horribly bad luck, or the problem lies with you.
8 of my 11 raiders have been playing together for at least 3 years.. some as long as 5. We're like a little online family. Even when WoW content gets stale, we like to raid because of the environment.
I think thats the problem. There are a lot of friendly guilds out there (my one is the best of course! ), but because of that there is not as much "traffic" (people joining and quitting) as there is in guilds, which are not fun to be in.8 of my 11 raiders have been playing together for at least 3 years.. some as long as 5. We're like a little online family. Even when WoW content gets stale, we like to raid because of the environme
You can easily find 10 horrible "boot camp" short lived guilds before finding a nice one, with an open spot. Doesnt mean more raiders are in a horrible guild than in a nice one. Just means you need some expirience on where to look and some patience/luck, before you find a nice one.
Which results in the attitude you mentioned, if you do not have those "virtues"
"And all those exclamation marks, you notice? Five?
A sure sign of someone who wears his underpants on his head."
Have to agree, there are tons of bad guilds out there, but if you can't find an enjoyable one, you either aren't really looking or you're the problem.
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Honestly I prefer WoW outside of a guild. =) Having been part of one for years and interacted with many others, I'm glad that I'm no longer part of that environment. As for running LFR ... I find that putting the annoying people on ignore does wonders. For Flex, friend list the leaders of the good groups, establish a friendship and join their future groups as well. Flex is really just LFR run by players instead of being automated. >.> People still stand in fire, people still under perform, people are still rude (but less so.), and the content is still faceroll. The added fun part is when people set ridiculous requirements because they want to be carried, but hey if they want to run the group then good for them.
Running Flex-1 the other night I actually had pug raid flashbacks. I was on an alt that doesn't have it's legendary cloak yet, and a str cloak dropped from trash. For some reason the monk tank was able to roll need, won the item, and nobody said anything. It was kind of amusing actually.
OT: Just keep trying really, it's all you can do, but if you really were doing that much damage, you should have linked it.
Originally Posted by Tony Stark
Might just be a lucky stream but we've literally had no major drama all of WoD. The biggest thing was probably when I said something that pissed off my one RL friend in my guild and he logged.. but he logged right back on after like three minutes. This was back in normal MSV progression.
I agree with you OP. This game is very painful to play without a good group of people to play with.
Running nothing but flex or LFR with random people is too headache inducing to be fun (at least for me, but there is nothing wrong with people who enjoy this).
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I look for nice people in my realm who also like to raid and play at same days/time. I'm most of a casual raider, doing just between 4-6 hours of raid a week. But I've managed to do SoO 14/14 N and have fun doing it. At the moment I'm playing with some nice people, like 4 hours a week (2 hours every day, 2 days), and it works for me.
If the group disbands for some reason (happened twice last year), I look for other people with same restrictions of time as me and start the process again. In the meantime, I look for pugs and do normal raiding with them (my first 2 Garrosh kills in normal mode were with pugs).
Pugs for normal raids look more commited than for flex (at least that's my experience). I prefer to progress very slowly through normal more, if that's the only option, than doing flex as my primary raiding. I'd rather just do enough flex to equip my character and then move to normal pugging. Thinking about that, I can do flex once in a while for kicks, but I wouldn't expect much progress from most flex groups I've seen.
And then... there's LFR. Since flex raids debuted, I've not even looked the direction of LFR.
YOU CAN'T CUT BACK ON FUNDING! YOU WILL REGRET THIS!
Of course, if you expect the perfect guild to fall in your lap, expect to be disappointed.