View Poll Results: What is the probability that the Tinker can be the next class ( IYO)

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  1. #2321
    Quote Originally Posted by Drilnos View Post
    The goblin towns in Kezan, Lost Isles and Twilight Highlands came out of a box, fully formed. But the pocket factory does not have to be the same size as it was in WC3. It could be as simple as a flat teleport pad that brings in robots from a base, or it could be a contraption the size of a totem that spawns robots as big as companion pets. The point is in the functionality much more than the looks. A spawn point for walking bombs is all it is.

    Edit:

    Another thing just occurred to me. This is the branch of knowledge that produces the shrinking and enlarging rays. So there is a viable lore reason a town could fit in a box or a factory could fit in a pocket. Unlike most other examples of the use of hammerspace in class abilities.
    The only reason the factory comes up as being a factory for making robots is Teriz trying to show that none of the tinker's WC3 abilities are taken and that they needto be in the game, and that they are on the same level of fantasy as other WoW abilities.

    Some small robot teleporter, or robots being created from leftover junk parts from the tinker's other creations are pretty cool and very workable ideas, being both smaller scale and less absurd. The class ends up being a lot more manageable with small changes like that, but it ruins Teriz's heartheld belief that tinkers need to be the next class added, this time for sure. A conversation about how to make tinkers cool, interesting, and suited to the setting would be entirely different from this one of ensuring that tinkers are next up or more likely than some other class.
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    I don't think he gets his hypocrisy.

    If you're going to say that a tech-based weapon that does AoE damage (I.E. the Landshark) does not serve the same function as a tech-based ability that does AoE damage (I.E. Cluster Rocket) because one is an item and one is an ability; that's fine. But when you deny the fact that, ultimately, they do the same thing with the same means, and then turn around and say that Locust Swarm and Unholy Blight are 'basically' the same because they both have insects that attack AoE... It kinda makes you seem flippy-floppy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ielenia View Post
    You still don't get it, do you? Even if it did come out of a 'much smaller device', how would this factory fit during a combat situation? Scale, my friend. Scale.
    It doesn't need to be a huge factory. It's called "pocket factory" after all. It should be no bigger than the Warlock's ability Demonic Gateway.

  4. #2324
    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    It doesn't need to be a huge factory. It's called "pocket factory" after all. It should be no bigger than the Warlock's ability Demonic Gateway.
    Then, like I said, the robots that come from it would be too small to be worthwhile, doing practically as much damage as the engineering bombs you call 'toys'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beshou View Post
    I don't think he gets his hypocrisy.

    If you're going to say that a tech-based weapon that does AoE damage (I.E. the Landshark) does not serve the same function as a tech-based ability that does AoE damage (I.E. Cluster Rocket) because one is an item and one is an ability; that's fine. But when you deny the fact that, ultimately, they do the same thing with the same means, and then turn around and say that Locust Swarm and Unholy Blight are 'basically' the same because they both have insects that attack AoE... It kinda makes you seem flippy-floppy.
    Except the argument wasn't about "serving the same function". The argument was that the G91 Lamdshark is the SAME as Cluster Rocket, or that the G91 Landshark represents Cluster Rocket in WoW.

    We already have an ability called Cluster Rocket in WoW that is very similar to the WC3 ability anyway. Why would you still believe that the G91 landshark is remotely similar to Cluster Rocket at that point?

    As for Locust Swarm, the Druid's Insect Swarm was closer to it than Unholy Blight. Either ability is clearly Locust Swarm's representative in WoW
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    I wouldnt mind "shrug" im a casual

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ielenia View Post
    Then, like I said, the robots that come from it would be too small to be worthwhile, doing practically as much damage as the engineering bombs you call 'toys'.
    Nonsense. Just because they're small doesn't mean they wouldn't be damaging.

  8. #2328
    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    Nonsense. Just because they're small doesn't mean they wouldn't be damaging.
    As far as explosives go, size matters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ielenia View Post
    As far as explosives go, size matters.
    They should be larger than pipe bombs, and pipe bombs are extremely dangerous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    They should be larger than pipe bombs, and pipe bombs are extremely dangerous.
    Considering they'd need mechanical parts to more and all that, they'd be smaller than pipe bombs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ielenia View Post
    Considering they'd need mechanical parts to more and all that, they'd be smaller than pipe bombs.
    Are you serious? Do you not know how large demonic gateway is? Its way larger than a character. If Pocket Factory is half that size, it should be able to produce decently sized robots with plenty of explosive power.

  12. #2332
    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    Are you serious? Do you not know how large demonic gateway is? Its way larger than a character. If Pocket Factory is half that size, it should be able to produce decently sized robots with plenty of explosive power.
    Demonic Gateway is tall, but thin and hollow to not obstruct view. Your 'factory' would be just as big, opaque, and thicker. You'd need to make it smaller. Half its size it'd have to make small robots to account for materials inside the 'factory' to produce said things. It's not just a door where robots magically come through.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ielenia View Post
    Demonic Gateway is tall, but thin and hollow to not obstruct view. Your 'factory' would be just as big, opaque, and thicker. You'd need to make it smaller. Half its size it'd have to make small robots to account for materials inside the 'factory' to produce said things. It's not just a door where robots magically come through.
    No, we don't have to account for materials because its a video game.

    All you need to do is make a factory about half the size of Demonic Gateway and you're good to go.



    You seriously going to argue that a box structure half that size would obstruct view, but that big crazy thing with the swirly orbs that's way larger than the Warlock is not?

  14. #2334
    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    No, we don't have to account for materials because its a video game.
    All you need to do is make a factory about half the size of Demonic Gateway and you're good to go.
    [IMG]http://lightersideofwow.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/WoWScrnShot_020213_150448.jpg[IMG]
    You seriously going to argue that a box structure half that size would obstruct view, but that big crazy thing with the swirly orbs that's way larger than the Warlock is not?
    A 'box structure' half that size would produce robots, at best, half its size, which would make for pretty poor excuses for bombs, kind of like the bombling pet.

    Also, the demonic portal is thin, and I can see through it, as proven by the warlock standin behind it in plain view.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ielenia View Post
    A 'box structure' half that size would produce robots, at best, half its size, which would make for pretty poor excuses for bombs, kind of like the bombling pet.
    You mean like these bomblings?

    http://wowpedia.org/Bombling

    They do significant damage in their respective raids.

    Also, the demonic portal is thin, and I can see through it, as proven by the warlock standin behind it in plain view.
    It's about twice as thick as your character, and its a huge structure. You can only see through the openings around the portal, and in the center of that portal is swirling energy.

    Again, you're making hilarious excuses and pretending that there's no way the Tinker couldn't have something that's smaller and less obtrusive than what's already in the game.
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  16. #2336
    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    You mean like these bomblings?
    http://wowpedia.org/Bombling
    They do significant damage in their respective raids.
    Except those are NPCs, and you know PC versions are much weaker. Or does Soul Reaper hit as hard as its NPC version?

    It's about twice as thick as your character, and its a huge structure. You can only see through the openings around the portal, and in the center of that portal is swirling energy.
    Which is a big hole that you can easily see through.

    Again, you're making hilarious excuses and pretending that there's no way the Tinker couldn't have something that's smaller and less obtrusive than what's already in the game.
    The only 'hilarious excuses' are how you evade clear issues just to bring your wet dream to life.

  17. #2337
    Quote Originally Posted by Ielenia View Post
    Which is a big hole that you can easily see through.
    As usual, his imagination has filled in that giant hole that anyone else can see through.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ielenia View Post
    Except those are NPCs, and you know PC versions are much weaker. Or does Soul Reaper hit as hard as its NPC version?
    Which is fine. Weaker than a raid-level NPC is still far more powerful than a completely useless Engineering bomb.


    Which is a big hole that you can easily see through.
    Only if you ignore everything else going on around that hole with the swirling energy.

    The only 'hilarious excuses' are how you evade clear issues just to bring your wet dream to life.
    Every "issue" you've brought up has been resolved. What excuse are you going to come up with next?
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  19. #2339
    They've been resolved in your mind. Myself and the above posters happen to agree with Ielenia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beshou View Post
    They've been resolved in your mind. Myself and the above posters happen to agree with Ielenia.
    So you agree with Ielenia that the size of a robot really determines their destructive power in a videogame, or that a factory in a fantasy videogame needs to be a certain size in order to account for the materials it needs to build robots?

    Seriously?

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