View Poll Results: What is the probability that the Tinker can be the next class ( IYO)

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  1. #1001
    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    Actually no. The Tinker has completely different abilities than the Engineer.
    Its also not like going to a physician, medic, or doctor. Its more like choosing to go to the doctor, or going to your friend who read a medical manual. Tinker is the expert. The Engineer is the hobbyist.
    Actually, no. It's not a hobby. There is no evidence in the game that engineer is nothing but a 'hobby'. A hobby doesn't award you 'grandmaster' recognitions. Both are the same thing, from what I see the same thing. If anything, going by the definition of the words, the engineer is the expert and the tinker is the one with the 'medic manual'.
    From Wikipedia:
    Tinker: "Tinkering is therefore the process of adapting, meddling or adjusting something in the course of making repairs or improvements"
    Engineer: "An engineer is a professional practitioner of engineering, concerned with applying scientific knowledge, mathematics, and ingenuity to develop solutions for technical problems"

    No, its Blizzard that drives the game forward. Blizzard controls the lore, and they will change or add to the lore to make whatever game mechanic that they want to fit. The Monk class is a prime example.
    So yeah, it's irrelevant.
    Blizzard controls both gameplay and lore. That is a fact. But also a fact is that certain kinds of games do not work without lore. Which is the case of practically every RPG and adventure games. People play those for the vast majority for the story. On other hand, there are games that not only work but also thrive on gameplay alone. Beat-em-up and fighting games are a good example. Back in my arcade times, I didn't care about the story for the Final Fight or Street Fighter games. I just wanted to beat my opponent.

    Also, going by logic, the monk concept was designed first, THEN the game mechanics for it were created/adjusted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drilnos View Post
    High school had warrior, rogue, mage, warlock, shaman, paladin, druid, monk, death knight, priest and hunter classes. College has the magic school classes. Post grad has the specialist classes. Mages can't be mages without studying enchanting.
    Actually, I haven't seen it anywhere at all, even outside of the Warcraft universe, in DnD or other fantasy settings where magic schools start at early ages, just like Jedi training, which leads me to believe that, in WoW, a mage starts his magical studies around the time a normal kid starts school or pre-school.

  2. #1002
    For starters, whats the point of the poll? whats the difference between a person who thinks theres a 30% chance of there being a tinker and one who thinks theres a 60% chance again? what is accomplished by knowing this? For the record, I want a Tinker class. If they ever make one that could very well be my first true alt. Not a toon I make to get mats and use CD but to actually play and gear and raid with and maybe even become my main.

    Also I like this questions made by Yig here and will answer them:

    1. What races can be a tinker?
    A: Gnome, Dwarf, Draenei and Human. H: Goblin, Blood Elf and Undead. Funny thing about the tinker class, it already exists within the lore of the game.

    2. How do you handle itemization and armor slots.
    Mail, of course. Depending on how they design it, 2 int base specs and 1 agi base spec that uses range weapons.
    Sapper (agi base, uses weapons), Gadget (int base, uses gadgets and devices), Apothecary (int base, uses chemicals theme spells)

    3. What is the theme of the expansion.
    Now, the expansion doesn´t have to fit the new class like in LK and Pandaria. As long as they come up with good lore and story to back the class, they don´t have to theme everything around it. BC introduced shaman to alliance and they didn´t theme the entire alliance experience around that.

    4. What does a tinker do and how do they do it.
    Thats for blizzard to decide. I can see them as hybrid Range DPS with gusn / Int base dps with lots of gadgets and devices / Healer spec.

    5. Where do they come from, what level do they start at, and what is their starting experience like?
    They come from... Gnomeregan? Lol, thats too wide a question for me to answer. They are just really tech savvy people who build devices/use chemicals to battle foes.

    6. Where is the foreshadowing in the game for them so far?
    The leader of the entire Gnome race is a tinker. Plenty Draenei and Blood Elfs in game are, in a fashion, tinkers. Undead apothecaries are present as well.

    I think if anyone can pull of the class is Blizzard. But I do admit that a great deal of people dislike it if the forums are to be considered. A lot more backing for demon hunter if you ask me. Still I would prefer Tinker.

  3. #1003
    Tinkers aren't happening. Give it a friggen rest already, sheesh.

  4. #1004
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ielenia View Post
    Actually, no. It's not a hobby. There is no evidence in the game that engineer is nothing but a 'hobby'.
    You mean other than being able to swap out of the profession at any time? You mean other than the profession being a completely optional experience? You mean other than Blizzard allowing a bunch of NPCs to grind your profession for you starting in WoD? You mean other than the useless weapons Engineering creates that can't even hurt base-level creatures?

    Yeah, its a hobby. It's no different than a guy who messes around with electronics in his garage, or a guy who makes bombs after reading manuals on the internet.

    A hobby doesn't award you 'grandmaster' recognitions. Both are the same thing, from what I see the same thing. If anything, going by the definition of the words, the engineer is the expert and the tinker is the one with the 'medic manual'.
    You can be very good at a hobby. There's plenty of expert hobbyist out there.

    Blizzard controls both gameplay and lore. That is a fact. But also a fact is that certain kinds of games do not work without lore. Which is the case of practically every RPG and adventure games. People play those for the vast majority for the story. On other hand, there are games that not only work but also thrive on gameplay alone. Beat-em-up and fighting games are a good example. Back in my arcade times, I didn't care about the story for the Final Fight or Street Fighter games. I just wanted to beat my opponent.
    Oh there's definitely lore. The issue is that Blizzard can do whatever it wants with the lore, so using it as an argument as if its a permenant thing is pointless. Blizzard can move the lore around to fit whatever it wants into the game, implement new concepts, completely change lore, or help make something murky a lot more clear.

    Look what it's doing with WoD.

  5. #1005
    Quote Originally Posted by Ielenia View Post
    Actually, I haven't seen it anywhere at all, even outside of the Warcraft universe, in DnD or other fantasy settings where magic schools start at early ages, just like Jedi training, which leads me to believe that, in WoW, a mage starts his magical studies around the time a normal kid starts school or pre-school.
    In the Mage manga mentioned previously, the main character chose to become a mage himself, indicating an age which is quite a bit older than the kids in the Jedi academy. The cover art indicates he's at least a teenager, and in the story he is an apprentice. However, his teacher is specifically named as an instructor for young mages, indicating that his age is near the lower end of the age range typical students have.

    As usual, you don't find this sort of information because you don't go looking.

    Quote Originally Posted by caballitomalo View Post
    6. Where is the foreshadowing in the game for them so far?
    The leader of the entire Gnome race is a tinker. Plenty Draenei and Blood Elfs in game are, in a fashion, tinkers. Undead apothecaries are present as well.
    For the record, Gallywix is also a Tinker. Aside from almost never fighting outside his spider tank (only doing so once, as part of a Combat Breakdown when Garrosh destroyed it in one of the short stories), he's one of the heads of the Tinkers' Union back in Undermine.
    Last edited by Drilnos; 2014-03-03 at 07:59 PM.

  6. #1006
    Quote Originally Posted by Drilnos View Post
    In the Mage manga mentioned previously, the main character chose to become a mage himself, indicating an age which is quite a bit older than the kids in the Jedi academy. The cover art indicates he's at least a teenager, and in the story he is an apprentice. However, his teacher is specifically named as an instructor for young mages, indicating that his age is near the lower end of the age range typical students have.
    Since said material is not being published where I live, I had to download it from the internet. And from what I see his age... he's around just about 'high school' age by the time he decides to be mage, so far even to have a mage 'sense something in him', akin to Jedi senses to the Force, so my theory still stands.

  7. #1007
    Quote Originally Posted by Drilnos View Post
    In the Mage manga mentioned previously, the main character chose to become a mage himself, indicating an age which is quite a bit older than the kids in the Jedi academy. The cover art indicates he's at least a teenager, and in the story he is an apprentice. However, his teacher is specifically named as an instructor for young mages, indicating that his age is near the lower end of the age range typical students have.

    As usual, you don't find this sort of information because you don't go looking.



    For the record, Gallywix is also a Tinker. Aside from almost never fighting outside his spider tank (only doing so once, as part of a Combat Breakdown when Garrosh destroyed it in one of the short stories), he's one of the heads of the Tinkers' Union back in Undermine.
    i thought gallywix was a rogue.
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  8. #1008
    Quote Originally Posted by Ielenia View Post
    Since said material is not being published where I live, I had to download it from the internet. And from what I see his age... he's around just about 'high school' age by the time he decides to be mage, so far even to have a mage 'sense something in him', akin to Jedi senses to the Force, so my theory still stands.
    That thing isn't published where I live either. It's called research, and it's what you do when you want to have a basis for an opinion that isn't made of bullshit. And your "theory" was that they started at preschool age, based on what you saw in Star Wars. Are we counting Star Wars as canon now? 'Cuz Star Wars has Bounty Hunters, and those would be sick to play as in WoW.

    Quote Originally Posted by Darkvoltinx View Post
    i thought gallywix was a rogue.
    An easy mistake, he only really even appears in-game in the goblin starting zones and it's possible to miss seeing him fight. It's more of a description of his combat style than his personality, since he's generally focused more on making money and probably has at least some of his equipment made for him, but the only attack he's ever made outside of his mecha was a headbutt, and no class has one of those as far as I know. That headbutt was facilitated by his ejector seat, however.
    Last edited by Drilnos; 2014-03-03 at 08:42 PM.

  9. #1009
    Quote Originally Posted by Drilnos View Post


    An easy mistake, he only really even appears in-game in the goblin starting zones and it's possible to miss seeing him fight. It's more of a description of his combat style than his personality, since he's generally focused more on making money and probably has at least some of his equipment made for him, but the only attack he's ever made outside of his mecha was a headbutt, and no class has one of those as far as I know. That headbutt was facilitated by his ejector seat, however.
    i see. i use to hate him(kind of still do) but after talking to him at the end of SoO. i have some respect for him.
    http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte.../Zanjin/simple horde main
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  10. #1010
    Quote Originally Posted by Darkvoltinx View Post
    i see. i use to hate him(kind of still do) but after talking to him at the end of SoO. i have some respect for him.
    Same here. In that short story he faced Garrosh down over a Pandaren superweapon similar to the Divine Bell. He wanted to keep it from being used at all. So Garrosh comes knocking, razing a path through Azshara right up to the Pleasure Palace, and Gallywix busts through the door in his tank and gives him a fight worthy of any other racial leader. And then when Garrosh finally manages to kill the tank, Gallywix ejects from the wreckage and launches himself right into his face, sacrificing his life just to get another shot in. It turned out to be just a vision of the future that would occur if Gallywix's henchmen brought the weapon back to him, so they left it where it was.

    My respect for that guy jumped up several brackets after reading that.

  11. #1011
    Quote Originally Posted by Drilnos View Post
    Same here. In that short story he faced Garrosh down over a Pandaren superweapon similar to the Divine Bell. He wanted to keep it from being used at all. So Garrosh comes knocking, razing a path through Azshara right up to the Pleasure Palace, and Gallywix busts through the door in his tank and gives him a fight worthy of any other racial leader. And then when Garrosh finally manages to kill the tank, Gallywix ejects from the wreckage and launches himself right into his face, sacrificing his life just to get another shot in. It turned out to be just a vision of the future that would occur if Gallywix's henchmen brought the weapon back to him, so they left it where it was.

    My respect for that guy jumped up several brackets after reading that.
    wow. he has more respect from me now.
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  12. #1012
    I dont think Tinkerer should be in the game, reasoning being that for example my main has been a engineer since vanilla and always carry a half inventory of gadgets, if Blizzard want some more Thinkerer experience, they could simply add some more fun and unique gadgets to the engineering profession, but i think adding a class would undermine Engineering.

  13. #1013
    Quote Originally Posted by Drilnos View Post
    That thing isn't published where I live either. It's called research, and it's what you do when you want to have a basis for an opinion that isn't made of bullshit. And your "theory" was that they started at preschool age, based on what you saw in Star Wars. Are we counting Star Wars as canon now? 'Cuz Star Wars has Bounty Hunters, and those would be sick to play as in WoW.
    No, my theory says they start at an early age. I cited the Star Wars as example. The aforementioned hero would be in school right now, which gives credibility to my theory.

  14. #1014
    Quote Originally Posted by Ielenia View Post
    No, my theory says they start at an early age. I cited the Star Wars as example. The aforementioned hero would be in school right now, which gives credibility to my theory.
    in WoW, a mage starts his magical studies around the time a normal kid starts school or pre-school.
    Those ages are between 3 and 5 years old. You were specific. The young man in that story is at least 10 years older than your "theory" would suggest. Which means that no, it has no credibility. And it can no longer be called a theory, at best being nothing more than a thoroughly disproven wild mass guess. Which is hardly surprising, considering your refusal to do research has rendered the bulk of your oeuvre into that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vexew View Post
    I dont think Tinkerer should be in the game, reasoning being that for example my main has been a engineer since vanilla and always carry a half inventory of gadgets, if Blizzard want some more Thinkerer experience, they could simply add some more fun and unique gadgets to the engineering profession, but i think adding a class would undermine Engineering.
    1.Blizzard can't really add offensive gadgets to Engineering, because doing so would potentially cause the profession to be OP.
    2.The class wouldn't undermine Engineering. People spec into Engineering to build mounts or craft armor, not to tank raids, or heal. Also a Tinker could also partake in the Engineering profession, so where's the damage?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drilnos View Post
    Same here. In that short story he faced Garrosh down over a Pandaren superweapon similar to the Divine Bell. He wanted to keep it from being used at all. So Garrosh comes knocking, razing a path through Azshara right up to the Pleasure Palace, and Gallywix busts through the door in his tank and gives him a fight worthy of any other racial leader. And then when Garrosh finally manages to kill the tank, Gallywix ejects from the wreckage and launches himself right into his face, sacrificing his life just to get another shot in. It turned out to be just a vision of the future that would occur if Gallywix's henchmen brought the weapon back to him, so they left it where it was.

    My respect for that guy jumped up several brackets after reading that.
    No one ever respects the little guy, or takes them seriously until something like this. I hope Gelbin Mekkatorque gets some love like this in the next expansion.

  17. #1017
    Quote Originally Posted by vexew View Post
    I dont think Tinkerer should be in the game, reasoning being that for example my main has been a engineer since vanilla and always carry a half inventory of gadgets, if Blizzard want some more Thinkerer experience, they could simply add some more fun and unique gadgets to the engineering profession, but i think adding a class would undermine Engineering.
    can an engineer build a mech and battle with it? nope. so tinkers can happen.
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  18. #1018
    Quote Originally Posted by Drilnos View Post
    Those ages are between 3 and 5 years old. You were specific. The young man in that short story is at least 10 years older than your "theory" would suggest. Which means that no, it has no credibility. And it can no longer be called a theory, at best being nothing more than a thoroughly disproven wild mass guess. Which is hardly surprising, considering your refusal to do research has rendered the bulk of your oeuvre into that.
    My, my... such anger...

    And my theory still stands. You gave me one example, the hero of that book. But it just that. One example. It just means that not all mages start at an early age. We see the hero never pursued anything because of his shame for being too weak for being a fighter like his brother, hailing from a family that apparently distrusts mages, being how they practically shun their other brother who became a practicioner of the arcane arts.

  19. #1019
    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    And yet it's still vastly superior to the countless threads about how Blizzard is failing, or how buying 90s is a crime against humanity.

    Hell, I'd argue with Thing, Ielenia, Suckhoi, and Yig until the end of time before I subject myself to those ridiculous threads.

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    I do too. It indicates that the Tinker implementation is going to surprise a lot of people.
    At least do us the courtesy of getting our names right. Idek why i was brought up. I could care less if tinkers become a class or not at this point. Im just tired of seeing the thread
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    Quote Originally Posted by Simulatio View Post
    A handful of people nut-busting about it on various forums does not equal popularity, and popularity does not equal good design.

  20. #1020
    Quote Originally Posted by Darkvoltinx View Post
    can an engineer build a mech and battle with it? nope. so tinkers can happen.
    Who said Tinkers can?

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