Will Tinkers be a class in WoW?

[Sukhoi]

The Engineering Profession is NOT representative of the Tinker hero. The two concepts aren't similar, and as Teriz has said several times, the Tinker's abilities aren't found within it at all.

I really wish people would stop making such an ignorant argument. It's not even close to being logical or factual.

Tinker's abilities can all be done in engineering. Blizzard feels the same way. Hence why there's no room for a tinker class.

[Teriz]

It's currently the representing element in WoW, considering there is Goblin Engineering subspec that deals with similar themes to the Tinker - the use of Rockets and Explosives. Engineering itself may not represent the Tinker hero, but it represents the technology theme in WoW.

There's a pretty profound difference between being designed to be the only representative of a class concept and an overarching theme, and being the current representative of those concepts because Blizzard hasn't gotten to it yet.

Does this mean a Tech class can't exist? No. But it should be recognized that the two concepts ARE similar because they are based on the same theme - Goblin Technology.

Similar on the most basic of levels. It's like saying that Paladins, Death Knights, and Warriors are thematically similar because they're warriors who can tank, wear plate armor, and can carry 2-handed weapons.

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Tinker's abilities can all be done in engineering. Blizzard feels the same way. Hence why there's no room for a tinker class.

Is this the part where you pull a Hatecore and link up completely different abilties because they have "bomb" or "rocket" in the name?

[Sukhoi]

Is this the part where you pull a Hatecore and link up completely different abilties because they have "bomb" or "rocket" in the name?

Same effect as cluster rocket.
http://www.wowhead.com/spell=54998/h...ed-pyro-rocket

Same effect as clockwerk goblin.
http://www.wowhead.com/spell=3955
http://www.wowhead.com/item=77530

And robo goblin.
http://www.wowhead.com/item=95416

Sorry you guys ignore the evidence.

[Ielenia]

Actually it is. If Engineering represents the Tinker hero, it should at least resemble the Tinker hero. It's also bizarre that Ghostcrawler wouldn't mention Engineering if someone asked him about the chance of a Tinker class. Wouldn't you mention the game system that represents the class that a fan is asking about?

The engineering does what the Tinker concept did in WC3: create contraptions, create and use technology. For the same reason alchemy is the WoW representation of the Goblin alchemist.

What separates them is the fact that one is using items, while the other is using class abilities. One can't kill a porcupine in Pandaria, while the other can tank raids and heal allies. One's purpose is to build mounts and trinkets. The other's purpose is to perform a role in the trinity.
They don't do the same thing. Not even close. You can't LFG or LFR as an Engineer. You don't have talents as an Engineer. There aren't glyphs for Engineers. Engineers don't have PvP and Raid tier armor.
To top it off, Engineering can be dropped for another profession by clicking an "X" button. In order for me to drop a Tinker class, I'd have to delete an entire character and reroll.
Let's stop the nonsense please.

Items or class abilities, it means nothing. Both are the exact same thing: technological items. You're constantly arguing game mechanics when the real issue for the tinker is its thematic overlap with engineering.
Talents and glyphs aren't part of the lore. They're just customization options for your gameplay that, hey, engineering has customization options too!
And you don't join the LFR/LFD as a class. You join it as a player. You don't see NPC mages or warriors or paladins or whatnot being part of your group/raid when you join LFD/LFR, do you?
I can also 'drop' a class by hitting the 'delete' button, if that's what you're concerned about. I would have to level a profession just as much as I'd have to level a new character.
Want the nonsense to stop? Then stop posting.

[Teriz]

Same effect as cluster rocket.
http://www.wowhead.com/spell=54998/h...ed-pyro-rocket

Except Cluster Rocket already exists in WoW;

http://www.wowhead.com/spell=136297

Oops.

[Sukhoi]

Except Cluster Rocket already exists in WoW;

http://www.wowhead.com/spell=136297

Oops.

Except I said same effect as cluster rocket. Not specifically cluster rocket.

Oops.

Stop the nonsense please.

[Hatecore]

Except Cluster Rocket already exists in WoW;

http://www.wowhead.com/spell=136297

Oops.

oh really?

Large Cluster Rocket Recipes
http://www.wowhead.com/item=21743#comments

Red Rocket Cluster
http://www.wowhead.com/item=21576

Green Rocket Cluster
http://www.wowhead.com/item=21574

Lucky Rocket Cluster
http://www.wowhead.com/item=21744

also to your link Used by Used by Dagger in the Dark

Npc =/= players

[Teriz]

The engineering does what the Tinker concept did in WC3: create contraptions, create and use technology. For the same reason alchemy is the WoW representation of the Goblin alchemist.

Which is like saying Enchanting does what the Archmage did in WC3: Cast spells, create and use magic. Those are extremely broad actions you're speaking of, and as in most things, the devil is in the details. For example, the Goblin Tinker instantly created a factory that produced a robotic army. That's never going to be in Engineering, because it goes far beyond the scope of Engineering.

Items or class abilities, it means nothing. Both are the exact same thing: technological items. You're constantly arguing game mechanics when the real issue for the tinker is its thematic overlap with engineering.

And how is that an issue in the game? Please explain how a technology class damages a technology profession, since overlap between both would be a "real issue".

Talents and glyphs aren't part of the lore.

Yet they're part of a class. And this discussion is about a Tinker class, not the Tinker in lore.

And you don't join the LFR/LFD as a class. You join it as a player. You don't see NPC mages or warriors or paladins or whatnot being part of your group/raid when you join LFD/LFR, do you?

Actually you do join as a class, since your class determines your role in the group as a player. For example, a Warrior can't queue for healing, and a Shaman can't queue for tanking. An Engineer can't queue at all, because its not a class and can't perform a role.

I can also 'drop' a class by hitting the 'delete' button, if that's what you're concerned about. I would have to level a profession just as much as I'd have to level a new character.

So do you actually think deleting a profession is the same as deleting an entire character? Please answer this with a yes or a no.

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oh really?

Large Cluster Rocket Recipes
http://www.wowhead.com/item=21743#comments

Red Rocket Cluster
http://www.wowhead.com/item=21576

Green Rocket Cluster
http://www.wowhead.com/item=21574

Lucky Rocket Cluster
http://www.wowhead.com/item=21744

also to your link Used by Used by Dagger in the Dark

Npc =/= players

Those are fireworks genius.

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Except I said same effect as cluster rocket. Not specifically cluster rocket.

Cluster Rocket has a 15 second cooldown and is an AoE. The item you linked to is an item enchant that hits a single target, and has a 45 second CD.

How is that the same effect?

Stop the nonsense please.

You first.

[Sukhoi]

Cluster Rocket has a 15 second cooldown and is an AoE. The item you linked to is an item enchant that hits a single target, and has a 45 second CD.

How is that the same effect?

Shoots a rocket. Theres a trinket that does aoe. Same effect.

[Ielenia]

Except Cluster Rocket already exists in WoW;
http://www.wowhead.com/spell=136297
Oops.

I read this, and I laugh so damn much at the irony...

[Teriz]

Shoots a rocket. Theres a trinket that does aoe. Same effect.

"Shooting a rocket" is not the same effect, because Cluster Rocket shoots several rockets.

Also I'm pretty sure that Trinket you're talking about no longer exists.

[Sukhoi]

"Shooting a rocket" is not the same effect, because Cluster Rocket shoots several rockets.

Also I'm pretty sure that Trinket you're talking about no longer exists.

..wow. What a difference. I take back my answer. You got me tinkerbell.

[Teriz]

I read this, and I laugh so damn much at the irony...

Same name, similar ability, reasonable cooldown

vs.

Different name, item enchant, long cooldown, dissimilar ability.

Surely you can see the difference?

[Sukhoi]

Same name, similar ability, reasonable cooldown

vs.

Different name, item enchant, long cooldown, dissimilar ability.

Surely you can see the difference?

They both shoot a rockets. You want to see rockets from engineering there you go. I could give a fuck about cooldowns and names. Same effect. Get over it. Engineers are tinkers.

[Ielenia]

"Shooting a rocket" is not the same effect, because Cluster Rocket shoots several rockets.
Also I'm pretty sure that Trinket you're talking about no longer exists.

It is only 'multiple rockets' graphic wise. It is a single entity. One miss, all rockets miss.

[Teriz]

They both shoot a rockets. You want to see rockets from engineering there you go. I could give a fuck about cooldowns and names. Same effect. Get over it. Engineers are tinkers.

Well actually that's incorrect. One shoots A rocket. The other shoots a cluster of rockets.

Hence why one is called Hand-Mounted Pyro Rocket, while the other is called Cluster Rocket.

Furthermore, the Tinker ability was called Cluster Rocket, and it was an AoE damage attack. Thus the representative of Cluster Rocket in WoW is Cluster Rocket.

[Sukhoi]

Well actually that's incorrect. One shoots A rocket. The other shoots a cluster of rockets.

Hence why one is called Hand-Mounted Pyro Rocket, while the other is called Cluster Rocket.

Furthermore, the Tinker ability was called Cluster Rocket, and it was an AoE damage attack. Thus the representative of Cluster Rocket in WoW is Cluster Rocket.

The truth hurts. I know.

[Rhamses]

It is only 'multiple rockets' graphic wise. It is a single entity. One miss, all rockets miss.

Which doesn't change the fact that one is AoE and one is single target.

I mean seriously dude, just stop.

[Toiran]

What was the last word from Blizz on Tinkers?

Surely if you have enough time to reply to almost every post in this thread you must of pestered them on Twitter until you got some sort of answer?

I still think there is 0% chance currently, like the other 600+ people, but that's just me, well it isn't, but you get it.

[Ielenia]

Which doesn't change the fact that one is AoE and one is single target.
I mean seriously dude, just stop.

Stop? Why? Just because we're finding holes in your and Teriz' arguments? Also, here's your 'AoE' damage: Rocket!!