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  1. #581
    Quote Originally Posted by Superman-BladesEdge View Post
    getting a lvl 90 in a lvl 100 expansion is success? Wow. You set your bar pretty friggin low. 7M players have lvl 90s and will be racing to lvl 100 when the content drops. 7M players will also have to level a free 90 that came with WoD unless they save it for the next expac to use on the new class. So tell me smart guy, HOW MANY LVL 100 PLAYERS WILL GIVE A FLYING FUCK THAT A BUNCH OF LVL 90 TOONS JUST GOT BOUGHT? My guess.... ZERO.
    The bar cant be that low - it costs $60 in real money to cheat your way there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Superman-BladesEdge View Post
    They have announced you get one with the purchase... not a pre-order. You need to stop assuming shit and start researching things.

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    Was not aware cosmetic items affected gameplay. Did my Sky Golem cause you to wipe in SoO?
    Was not aware lvl 90 was max level in an expansion that goes to lvl 100.
    Was not aware you could predict the future since your predictions about the past were WAY OFF.
    No, but certain cosmetic items may or may not attract certain players. But because they have to pay for it, they can't get it. Cosmetics in a cash shop shouldn't exist in a P2P game.

    That's 90 levels you don't have to go through to reach Draenor. So yes, it is an advantage.

    Many years ago I remember when people wanted race changes and faction changes...I remember a blue post stating that it would NEVER happen. Yet here we are. What did people learn from then on? Blizz will say something one day and do another the next. It's happened time and time again.
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  3. #583
    Quote Originally Posted by wych View Post
    I find it a massive step down a horrible slippery slope.

    It just leaves a bad taste in my mouth this sort of thing on a sub based game
    You could say that, but you have to remember it's not just a game. It's the biggest grossing game ever and by far (talking probably $12 billion+). This is still a phenomenon. Some people around here are forgetting this. It's not super attack of the mutant camels on c64. It's Wow, the gaming behemoth. It will only get bigger and bigger.

    I welcome the store and these new additions. It will make the game better. I miss vanilla very much (haven't subbed in almost 6 months) but ok.. this is where we are now.

  4. #584
    Quote Originally Posted by Superman-BladesEdge View Post
    I said the Timeless Isle gear just fell outta fucking trees. Why not sell it? Save me 2 hours on the island. I would gladly pay $39 for a full 496 set to get me going in MoP. However, that will likely never go over well since the Pay-to-Win freaks will come flying outta the woodwork faster than a bong at Snoop Dogg's house.
    Pfft. As if I'd pay for 496 gear.

    I'll pay for a nice set of 522 gear, though. That's not even close to the 553+ stuff and it'll still get me into Norm SoO without a problem.

    I'd pay for it, so would everyone else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by segoplout View Post
    You could say that, but you have to remember it's not just a game. It's the biggest grossing game ever and by far (talking probably $12 billion+). This is still a phenomenon. Some people around here are forgetting this. It's not super attack of the mutant camels on c64. It's Wow, the gaming behemoth. It will only get bigger and bigger.

    I welcome the store and these new additions. It will make the game better. I miss vanilla very much (haven't subbed in almost 6 months) but ok.. this is where we are now.
    Uhhmm...I don't know how to tell you this, but they've lost about half their subs since LK ended. I think that's the exact polar opposite of 'only get bigger and bigger'
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    Quote Originally Posted by segoplout View Post
    You could say that, but you have to remember it's not just a game. It's the biggest grossing game ever and by far (talking probably $12 billion+). This is still a phenomenon. Some people around here are forgetting this. It's not super attack of the mutant camels on c64. It's Wow, the gaming behemoth. It will only get bigger and bigger.

    I welcome the store and these new additions. It will make the game better. I miss vanilla very much (haven't subbed in almost 6 months) but ok.. this is where we are now.
    We're a big part of that success. We don't deserve to be taken advantage of.
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  6. #586
    Quote Originally Posted by NigelGurney View Post
    Exactly, they attempt to create a fair race where everyone is equal. This is the exact opposite of that situation. The entire basis of on line gaming is everyone is the same, as soon as you stray from that it becomes P2W. Up to this point you could strongly argue that everyone in game has equal opportunities. Now, this is no longer the case.
    It is not Pay-to-Win if EVERYONE can purchase a lvl 90 in a lvl 100 world. You keep using this phrase. I do not think it means what you think it means. Everyone is getting a FREE 90 when they purchase WoD. No one has an advantage cause everyone got one. It's like that scene in Willy Wonka with the Gobstoppers. Everyone gets one but some little twit still isn't satisfied.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Widow Maker View Post
    Many years ago I remember when people wanted race changes and faction changes...I remember a blue post stating that it would NEVER happen. Yet here we are. What did people learn from then on? Blizz will say something one day and do another the next. It's happened time and time again.
    They were using LORE as an excuse at the time until people said screw the lore and let us do (insert random service). Until they unlock all the race class combos and allow me to race change all my toons to Gnomes, I don't believe it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Superman-BladesEdge View Post
    It is not Pay-to-Win if EVERYONE can purchase a lvl 90 in a lvl 100 world. You keep using this phrase. I do not think it means what you think it means. Everyone is getting a FREE 90 when they purchase WoD. No one has an advantage cause everyone got one. It's like that scene in Willy Wonka with the Gobstoppers. Everyone gets one but some little twit still isn't satisfied.
    It's only pay to win if not everyone is allowed to buy the stuff? What? Willy wonka now?

    If anything, you're the girl who thinks she can/should be able to buy everything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NigelGurney View Post
    If it hasn't created the need, why does it exist?
    Because Blizzard gave a boost with WoD so returning players could just buy the expansion and get right into WoD content. Instead of having to level from what ever point the left off at. The community then liked the idea of a boost so much and asked Blizzard to create an individual boost so that they don't have to go through the Account Merge shuffle to buy a boost for more then one character.

    The game hasn't created a need for a boost. Far from it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Superman-BladesEdge View Post
    It is not Pay-to-Win if EVERYONE can purchase a lvl 90 in a lvl 100 world. You keep using this phrase. I do not think it means what you think it means. Everyone is getting a FREE 90 when they purchase WoD. No one has an advantage cause everyone got one. It's like that scene in Willy Wonka with the Gobstoppers. Everyone gets one but some little twit still isn't satisfied.

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    They were using LORE as an excuse at the time until people said screw the lore and let us do (insert random service). Until they unlock all the race class combos and allow me to race change all my toons to Gnomes, I don't believe it.
    Doesn't matter if it was our fault or not. Point is, people were saying it would never happen yet it did. Just like people right now saying Blizz would never sell ilvl gear or certain advantages on the cash shop. You never know what blizz will see potential in in the near future.
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  10. #590
    Wows biggest ripoff is the money they make vs the speed at which they produce content. By the time WoD comes out it will be worse than the end of wrath in terms of time between end and start of expacs.

    60 bucks for an optional service, the way to complai is to never use it. Ranting about it doesnt bother them

  11. #591
    Quote Originally Posted by Randec View Post
    It's only pay to win if not everyone is allowed to buy the stuff?
    If purchasing an item gives you an advantage in finishing first, it is Pay-to-Win. If EVERYONE can purchase the same item, there is no advantage. Also, it is only possible to "win" at WoW if you have every single achievement point in the game and the servers are about to shut down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NigelGurney View Post
    You cannot sell something if it doesn't give an advantage. People may well get one with the expansion but I suspect that will be limited to pre orders. The valid argument is that outside wealth should never affect the experience in game.
    Every copy of WoD sold will contain a boost to 90. It has nothing to do with preorders.
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  13. #593
    Quote Originally Posted by Widow Maker View Post
    Doesn't matter if it was our fault or not. Point is, people were saying it would never happen yet it did. Just like people right now saying Blizz would never sell ilvl gear or certain advantages on the cash shop. You never know what blizz will see potential in in the near future.
    IF... if they ever sold gear, it would likely be trash that would allow you to skip crafting it for yourself. Prime example would be the 476 crafted gear. Give you a boost into Heroics, but no where near SoO quality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Superman-BladesEdge View Post
    If purchasing an item gives you an advantage in finishing first, it is Pay-to-Win. If EVERYONE can purchase the same item, there is no advantage. Also, it is only possible to "win" at WoW if you have every single achievement point in the game and the servers are about to shut down.
    So there's never been pay to win in any game ever? Because WoW has no clearly defined endpoint no changes could ever be implemented as to cause it to become a pay to win?
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  15. #595
    Quote Originally Posted by rhorle View Post
    Because Blizzard gave a boost with WoD so returning players could just buy the expansion and get right into WoD content. Instead of having to level from what ever point the left off at. The community then liked the idea of a boost so much and asked Blizzard to create an individual boost so that they don't have to go through the Account Merge shuffle to buy a boost for more then one character.

    The game hasn't created a need for a boost. Far from it.
    Ask yourself the question - why did the community like the idea of a boost?

    To suggest this isn't a game created problem is utterly incredible.
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    GTA 5 has not sold so well on PC and the Multi player version (the one that is measured through Xfire) was not that good.
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    There is no way in hell Siege will last more than 6 months. It just isn't possible.
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  16. #596
    I believe its well-priced. what people dont realize is they are trying to kill the 3rd party market of powerleveling services. not only giving a nice jesture to returning subscribers or an option to skip content for alts.
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  17. #597
    Quote Originally Posted by Superman-BladesEdge View Post
    It is not Pay-to-Win if EVERYONE can purchase a lvl 90 in a lvl 100 world. You keep using this phrase. I do not think it means what you think it means. Everyone is getting a FREE 90 when they purchase WoD. No one has an advantage cause everyone got one. It's like that scene in Willy Wonka with the Gobstoppers. Everyone gets one but some little twit still isn't satisfied.

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    They were using LORE as an excuse at the time until people said screw the lore and let us do (insert random service). Until they unlock all the race class combos and allow me to race change all my toons to Gnomes, I don't believe it.
    Read the thread title - this is about the $60 charge not the "free" boost given away.
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    GTA 5 has not sold so well on PC and the Multi player version (the one that is measured through Xfire) was not that good.
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    There is no way in hell Siege will last more than 6 months. It just isn't possible.
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    I take whatever Blizzard offers, but then people tell me I am a White Knight.

  18. #598
    Quote Originally Posted by NigelGurney View Post
    Read the thread title - this is about the $60 charge not the "free" boost given away.
    I understand that. But you are acting as though the $60 boost will offer some unfair advantage when, in fact, the advantage is nullified by the 90 that comes with the expansion.

    My point is, there is ZERO advantage to buying a lvl 90 character in a lvl 100 world. The only benefit is convenience of time saved having to drudge through 30+ hours of bullshit, antiquated content. But, you will all continue to run about throwing phrases like "unfair advantage" and "pay to win", and propagate panic for no reason other than some drama-centric need. So, I will leave you all to it. Oh, and if you are ever on Blade's Edge... look me up. I will be the Undead HOLY priest named Sixtybucks.
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  19. #599
    Is there a name for that disease where you caps lock on random words

  20. #600
    People seem to not realize that this service is something Blizzard shouldn't be providing in the first place. They should be fixing the leveling problem, not making the player pay extra to circumvent the problem. That's the whole point of paying the premium which is a sub fee, so that you don't have to deal with shit like this.
    It's laughable how expensive they made it but even if this service was cheap it would still be a problem, because this shouldn't be a paid service in the first place.

    Earlie in the thread I mentioned WoW players needing a reality check, and I stand by that. There's things other then WoW in this world and dumping your wallet on a WoW just to skip WoW content is a fairly ridiculous idea.

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