Thanks Gliff. I was using the only info I could find.
If one of the tanks using the Prot Mastery>Crit build has any math. Would love to see it! I tweeted Sloot pointing him at this thread.
Sloot comes around here sometimes and he has valid points for why he does what he does so you may get your wish. I've said it 100 times that there is no one way to do it. When I have gone crit (on PTR and live) I felt squishy. I cant remember my mastery levels and I don't have a Thokks tail tip so it may make a big difference but I doubt it. Other people may experience something else.
used crit build during progression like sloot until I hit heroic siege. felt I was getting hit way to hard. I switched to parry that day and stayed parry. both seem to be pretty equal in damage though.
Edit: 50% mastery comes to mind. could be completely wrong though
I believe the problem with so called CRIT build is, its not actually "crit build" it is "mastery to the point and then crit"! and the whole idea is taking advantage of huge mastery (crit blocks) with smoothing the "rage starve" moments with high crit! defensively, i think this "mastery crit" build is a bit easier to play (at least what I felt) but it needs a better tank swap rotation because at the end of your 24sec shield block rotation....boss can literally wreck you.
on a fight like garrosh that prot warriors are there for DPS and not really tanking (you know what i mean).
so what i am trying to say is:
1-boss is mainly a melee attacker on that fight
2-we are there to burn the boss while tanking
3-we try to take full advantage of Glyph of Heavy Repercussions. so:
we go really heavy for shield block vs shield barrier. now my question is: who was thinking that a avoidance build ends up to have a better shield block than "MASTERY+crit" build?
so it really doesn't surprise me if a so called Crit tank( come on guys....these guys have over 12k mastery ) takes less damage than a avoidance tank on Garrosh...(would be nice if some1 can compare them on a fight like Thok i guess) but I don't understand how they can do more dps (kinda doubt that if its even the case) than a pure parry build warrior. cause they normally end up having:
1- less crit than Parry build(on my character at least)
2- less revenge procs
3- less advantage from Glyph of HtL
Crit tanks are Crit > Parry > Dodge > Mastery.
Mastery tanks are Mastery > Crit > Mastery.
Riposte tanks are Parry > Dodge > Crit
True crit tanks have the highest DPS of all tanks as they gear as riposte tanks but then gem and reforge into crit.
Last edited by Dascha; 2014-07-13 at 01:49 PM.
But then again, why would you go for that build? You'll take more damage, and deal less damage, than an avoidance build, and you'll have less rage to put into barriers for when that's needed.
For Farm I can see why someone would want to try out a Crit riposte build, as it has the potential of greatness. For progress on the other hand you'd just put more stress on the healers, and it may impact on whether or not you'll be able to pull of solo-tanking some bosses, as you may lack the rage to pull of efficient barriers.
Well, the only reason to use it as a progression setup is if you're a DPS who needed to tank for some reason and there is no other choice for you.
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I have about 33% crit buffed which then goes to 53% under Riposte and I use Crit/Dodge elixir which ups it even more along with River's Song which takes me to over 60% when it procs.
As long as you aren't dying or someone else isn't dying because of a healer having to heal you then use it.
So is Crit > Avoidance tanking? or depends on fight/raid group
So, at minimum 5+41.32+1.25+2 is 49.57% before procs. Could possibly even get it higher, as I'm missing 1-2 items and a few item upgrades.
We're well past progression now and this discussion will become moot when WoD hits.