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    [Mage] I don't be a huge whiner but... raid utility?

    Shouldn't we mages have some raid utility? I mean if we compare us to warlocks (which we have to since we are the cool flasy cloth spellweavers) we don't have a shit! I mean warlocks have sick damage, well on par with us if it's not fire and brimstone (?) time, they have curse of the elements and 5% magic damage is HUGE on a boss, they have healthstones which doesn't share any pot cd's, they have crazy survivability and they can revive fallen raid members! How is this not overpowered?! And on top of that they get a huge revamp and an awesome green fire questline. Now lets have a look at us, we have: Timewarp. Yep, that's it. We're not even close to warlock survivability and raid utility, I mean seriously how can it be like this?! Blizzard seriously needs to adress this issue because there is no damn reason at all today to bring a mage over a warlock, in any scenario (Except hero, but in a 20M mythic raid you're bound to have a shammy or hunter pet).

    Okay so that became a bit more whiny than I expected but really, this issue needs to be fixed !
    Your thoughts?
    Edit: No, I don't wanna roll a warlock I wanna play a mage and have some advantage over warlocks.

    //Angry and sad mage
    Last edited by Hallonsaft4; 2014-02-24 at 12:33 AM.

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    Yeah, because time warp is the weakest raid buff. Oh wait, it´s the strongest one.

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    Polymorph, iceblock (for a druid aswell), aoe CC, conjure food along with timewarp you just mentioned.

    Not enough?

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    Quote Originally Posted by XDurionX View Post
    Yeah, because time warp is the weakest raid buff. Oh wait, it´s the strongest one.
    It's not as if a shaman can do that too... oh wait.

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    Mage has been the #1 raid DPS for literally 6 years. Why would you think you should get more stuff?

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    mages have:

    Iceblock ( can survive 1shot abilities )
    blink, lol roots? stun? l o l
    need time warp? don't have a shaman? i'm your man! ( don't force the poor hunter to go BM while hes survival )
    food and water? check.
    portals? check. oke used to be really good before 15min HS

    but still. i dislike warlocks aswell. take a rogue! he can't give raid utility like that. none can...
    id say other classes should also get something like the warlock portal and maybe have some class do the healthstones aswell.

    like give rogues the ability to share stolen healthpots?
    and give mages a short distance portal. ( can't think of a other class that would beable to do a simmilair spell lore wise )
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    Hah, we've been discussing this on these forums for about forever now. We bring food which is useless, time warp which 3 other classes can give too, Spell Power which 2 other classes can do, Crit which 2 other classes can do and... that's about it. We have great personal utility (even if there are people on this forum who will tell you that it's not enough and omg others have better), but in terms of mobility and survival I'm happy where we stand. Raid utility is just nowhere.

    That's why we're all looking forward to the soon to come info dump for Warlords of Draenor. Until then no point in feeling bad or discussing things into too much detail.

    Edit: the rest of you guys, don't confuse raid utility for personal utility.

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    Mages need Battle Resurrection too, bro.

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    ...and once again we're slowly drawn to the stage where all classes are the same apart from name colour.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Otaka View Post
    Polymorph, iceblock (for a druid aswell), aoe CC, conjure food along with timewarp you just mentioned.

    Not enough?
    Compare the times where you require polymorph to the times where you require healthstones, gateways, combat ress and you'll find your answer, and warlocks have immolate->conflag aoe slow and they can do it from a distance. I forgot to add that our AoE spells are melee range which is so stupid for a ranged class. Conjure food... Really? And just like Boblet said poly is barely used, the only time i've used it would be Garrosh trash.

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    Edited the title for clarity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Migas11 View Post
    ...and once again we're slowly drawn to the stage where all classes are the same apart from name colour.
    Remember when people used to pay for mage ports? People still mad because mages don't have every single ability every other class's have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wrathblade View Post
    mages have:

    Iceblock ( can survive 1shot abilities )
    blink, lol roots? stun? l o l
    need time warp? don't have a shaman? i'm your man! ( don't force the poor hunter to go BM while hes survival )
    food and water? check.
    portals? check. oke used to be really good before 15min HS

    but still. i dislike warlocks aswell. take a rogue! he can't give raid utility like that. none can...
    id say other classes should also get something like the warlock portal and maybe have some class do the healthstones aswell.

    like give rogues the ability to share stolen healthpots?
    and give mages a short distance portal. ( can't think of a other class that would beable to do a simmilair spell lore wise )
    But you're mixing our personal defensives with raid utility (which I'm mostly complaining about), ice block, blink etc are personal defensives for the mage, doesn't benefit the 24 others in the raid (19 come WoD). And no one needs food and water anymore and rogues do have some raid cds but the only one im familiar with is however smoke bomb, which helped us alot of mageara (spelling).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Migas11 View Post
    ...and once again we're slowly drawn to the stage where all classes are the same apart from name colour.
    Actually mages are all classes in one. Others aren't, at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by torment3d View Post
    Mage has been the #1 raid DPS for literally 6 years. Why would you think you should get more stuff?
    We must be playing different games. Mages are not the #1 DPS and haven't been for 6 years, top 3 sure. But not top dps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dacoolist View Post
    Remember when people used to pay for mage ports? People still mad because mages don't have every single ability every other class's have.
    People stopped? I had a 100g tip two nights ago.

    On topic, I don't see us getting any more utility than we already have. If anything, utility will be stripped from other classes. They've said they went overboard on warlocks, and they'll probably see the largest cuts. I'd wait for the preview document to come out before complaining too much.

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    ring of frost, iceblock, and timewarp - thats at least 3 off the top of my head.



    okay now lets see i have tranquility and uhm er tranquility and i guess ursol's vortex comes in handy sometimes

    also mages do more dps than me




    #dealwithit

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    Seems like a standard mage qq thread
    "this class has this why cant I have it too" reworded over the different posts.

    Mages are fine, you bring a mage to raids because they hit like trains and for the hero.
    Other classes bring more raid utility to balance out the above fact.

    You are also not limited by spec for your raid CD

    Tell me, what exactly does a hunter bring to the raid? Unless you force them to play BM they have zero abilities
    Quote Originally Posted by Arrashi View Post
    after just seeing results of morality bukkake on garrosh

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    Quote Originally Posted by crunk View Post
    ring of frost, iceblock, and timewarp - thats at least 3 off the top of my head.



    okay now lets see i have tranquility and uhm er tranquility and i guess ursol's vortex comes in handy sometimes

    also mages do more dps than me




    #dealwithit
    Assuming youre playing boomy and no we dont do more damage, I would say its on par if both are geared and you guys have a lot of offhealing and got a combat ress, stampeding roar (spelling).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kuni Zyrekai View Post
    People stopped? I had a 100g tip two nights ago.

    On topic, I don't see us getting any more utility than we already have. If anything, utility will be stripped from other classes. They've said they went overboard on warlocks, and they'll probably see the largest cuts. I'd wait for the preview document to come out before complaining too much.
    I <3 Mage ports!!!

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