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    What the difference with cata and MoP Shadow?

    What the difference with cata and MoP Shadow?

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    Devouring Plague was a long "spammable" dot like Shadow Word: Pain. Only usable against one target though. It dealt damage instantly like SW:P currently does. It healed during its duration. Don't remember exact amount.

    Your Shadow Orbs were used for harder hitting Mind Blasts. And a buff called "Empowered Shadows" which increased the damage of your dots after hitting Mind Blast, per shadow orb consumed by MB.

    The Mastery increased the damage of your shadow orbs.

    Your shadow orbs had a chance to be generated from Mind Flay and Shadow Word: Pain.

    Vampiric Embrace was a buff much like Shadowform, and not a cooldown like it is today. It healed everybody all the time for 3 % of your damage done, and you for... 12 %? I think.

    God I miss it.

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    What most people "miss" of Cataclysm Shadow and Mists of Pandaria Shadow is something that wasn't even in Cataclysm for half of the expansion, the t13 4pc bonus of Mind Spike spam on a cooldown.

    Don't get me wrong, it's a friggin cool set bonus, and it changed the way you played when you had it. But like, t11 shadow and t12 shadow, the only real differences are...

    You had some predetermined ramp up and some RNG determined ramp up before you could do your full damage, RNG rampup could be extended off of a trinket proc if you were lucky. But for 98% of the fight you were still keeping two DoTs up (Pain didn't even count, with the auto refresh), spamming Mind Blast and Shadowfiend on cooldown.

    That's really it.

    That's what people outside of t13 4pc did. And everyone's nostalgic for "how things used to be" but forgetting that it really wasn't that complicated except for some minor nuance in handling trinket procs/Lightweave. And by that, I mean running things like ShadowGreenLight or whatever. Meh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelesti View Post
    What most people "miss" of Cataclysm Shadow and Mists of Pandaria Shadow is something that wasn't even in Cataclysm for half of the expansion, the t13 4pc bonus of Mind Spike spam on a cooldown.
    God no. I miss the synergy between buffs, talents and abilities, and actually being a competitive dps spec with meaningful off-healing.

    The difference between MoP and pre-MoP is that no one ever asked: "Why on earth should we bring a shadow priest?".

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    4pc t13 was the worst part of cata shadow, it turned a great dot class into a drooling arcane mage.

    Shadow was strong in cata because of our dots, they did alot of our dmg, so when we had to move our dmg wasn't as gimped as it is in mop.

    Even after blizzard blanket nerfed our dots going into firelands we still performed amazing well, and once we got a staff we were godly.

    One of often forgot perks of cata shadow which I'd love to come back was flay crits reducing the CD of fiend, getting FM it wasn't uncommon for my fiend to come off CD after 1 min in late FL and early DS with the t12 bonus

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    Quote Originally Posted by soulyouth View Post
    One of often forgot perks of cata shadow which I'd love to come back was flay crits reducing the CD of fiend, getting FM it wasn't uncommon for my fiend to come off CD after 1 min in late FL and early DS with the t12 bonus
    That, along with t15 2-pc are my all-time favorite shadow bonuses

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    No, but what the T13 bonus makes everyone forget was all the fights where you didn't generate a shadow orb for the first 60-90 seconds of a fight.

    I will still never forget the Heroic Chimeron fight where I didn't generate my first shadow orb until the boss was at 15%.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelesti View Post
    That's what people outside of t13 4pc did. And everyone's nostalgic for "how things used to be" but forgetting that it really wasn't that complicated except for some minor nuance in handling trinket procs/Lightweave. And by that, I mean running things like ShadowGreenLight or whatever. Meh.
    This. For me it was just micro managing the ramp up time to have as high of an uptime. I liked micro managing that "skill" now it's just micro managing procs with dots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackmorgrim View Post
    No, but what the T13 bonus makes everyone forget was all the fights where you didn't generate a shadow orb for the first 60-90 seconds of a fight.

    I will still never forget the Heroic Chimeron fight where I didn't generate my first shadow orb until the boss was at 15%.
    Yuuuuup. RNG gimping your damage by what was it around t11, 22% right from the getgo, even before looking at crit strings (or other factors when on other fights). Because that's totally ~fun~, right? Is that how that works, I can never tell.
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    People always remember the good things, but totally forget all the negatives.

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    I would rather be dealing with the horrible orb rng then be raiding with abortion we currently call shadow atm.

    Not getting a orb during a mirror proc was a pain but at least we were smashing.

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    There were flaws in Cata Shadow design of course, but IMO it was a much, much more rewarding spec and very, very unique playstyle for the reasons others have pointed out. It definitely wasn't about the bizarre T13 design.

    Shadow now just feels like every single other RDPS spec (excepting the channeled filler, which still feels good). I'm glad some people are thrilled with it now (not sarcasm!), but for me, I try to play it and just . It looks like a Shadow Priest, but it's actually a Pod Person from another class.

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