Putin puts troops in western Russia on alert in drill

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And gear? Really? That's all you have? Then i guess Blackwater is American Army?

http://crooksandliars.com/files/uplo...blackwater.JPG

They buy the used goods man :X
The stuff that the Spetsnaz wears is exclusive and new

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Russia has bigger trained army then whole EU put together and I know USA has bigger one but china is not slacking either so it would not be a walk over like a lot people say which is quite frightening. The worse part is russia and china don't care about their people, if atomic bombs be involved USA has a lot more to lose.

[Felya]

Then i guess Blackwater is American Army?

They are not Russian troops, but are mercenaries hired by Russia? Is that really the parallel you want to make?

[Rukentuts]

You didn't seem to read that article then. Provide actual quote you're using as "proof".

Reading is hard?

Check talk page on validity of those claims, current news tend to be heavily slanted toward one viewpoint. For example, talk page claims that none of the sources cited in that article call it invasion, and not a shot has been fired.

Yeah disrupting another country's military operations by blocking them isn't invading.

You shouldn't trust Wikipedia to be "true source" of anything really.

Yeah, because it's not an encyclopedia of external sources.

And gear? Really? That's all you have? Then i guess Blackwater is American Army?

Grasping at straws. Especially when you deliberately ignore that this is gear used exclusively by Russian Federation forces.

[Cybran]

That does not change anything I said. Please point out at which point in those 15 years Russia was ran by a drunkard...

He meant Yeltsin. Yeltsin was a drunk idiot who used to bend over backwards to please the US. Putin has been in power for 15 years and he is the polar opposite of Yeltisn. Is that really so hard for you to understand?

[Rukentuts]

They are not Russian troops, but are mercenaries hired by Russia? Is that really the parallel you want to make?

It is what he's trying to say. Because he's in deep deliberate ignorance that Russia just shit on another former USSR republic.

[Felya]

1999! 31 December 1999 is moment of Yeltsin resignation!

Yep, which is when Putin was elected to power? I mentioned that too...

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He meant Yeltsin. Yeltsin was a drunk idiot who used to bend over backwards to please the US. Putin has been in power for 15 years and he is the polar opposite of Yeltisn. Is that really so hard for you to understand?

Was Yeltsin drunk when he resigned for Putin to take over?

[Medusa Cascade]

Comrade Pavel seems to be in denial.

[Cybran]

Was Yeltsin drunk when he resigned for Putin to take over?

I guess it is.

[Shalcker]

They are not Russian troops, but are mercenaries hired by Russia? Is that really the parallel you want to make?

Blackwater isn't always hired by government; they might have been hired by one of Ukrainian oligarchs.

[Felya]

Russia has bigger trained army then whole EU put together and I know USA has bigger one but china is not slacking either so it would not be a walk over like a lot people say which is quite frightening. The worse part is russia and china don't care about their people, if atomic bombs be involved USA has a lot more to lose.

If you think China will enter a hot conflict between Russia and EU/US, you underestimate what China's power is. If there was such a war, China would be positioned as US was at start of WW2. They would be the largest manufacturer for both sides and would become a more dominating world power than any that exist now. China's strength would capitalize on the conflict, not needlessly waste resources on it. Regardless of who wins, China would be the most powerful if they stayed out of it beyond being a neutral manufacturer.

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Blackwater isn't always hired by government; they might have been hired by one of Ukrainian oligarchs.

Why would an ukrainian oligarch hire blackwater? But sounds plausible.

[Felya]

Blackwater isn't always hired by government; they might have been hired by one of Ukrainian oligarchs.

So... They are not the American Army? You are saying the are Ukrainian oligarch's army?

[Shalcker]

Reading is hard?

Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said Russia was defending human rights against "ultra-nationalist threats".

Oh, this. It's simple - because Putin isn't ultra-nationalist at all? I don't know what image of him you got in your head, but he is anything but ultra-nationalist.

Yeah, because it's not an encyclopedia of external sources.

Well, then don't point to wikipedia and show those primary sources. Don't be lazy.

Grasping at straws. Especially when you deliberately ignore that this is gear used exclusively by Russian Federation forces.

What's so hard to understand about "Russian Private Army"? Obviously they'll have Russian gear, that's the one their soldiers (who previously obviously served in Russian Army) are familiar with.

Here is the article from as far as 2007 - http://www.theguardian.com/world/2007/jul/05/russia.oil - Russia votes to allow private armies for energy giants

[Felya]

To keep Russia away from his money? :P

Anyway.. I saw three new pages and thought I missed something.
Why are we even discussing this? Those soldiers are clearly Russian.

Western media is bias or Yeltsin is a drunk... That's why...

[zorkuus]

Why are we even discussing this? Those soldiers are clearly Russian.

Well you see... they're russian if it's convinient for his argument, and when it's inconvinient they're not russian.

[Deleted]

Being president of a country is a legitimate way to become wealthier... It's how you attract the best candidate...

You don't see people becoming presidents so they can sit on a literally golden potty.

[Deleted]

What's so hard to understand about "Russian Private Army"? Obviously they'll have Russian gear, that's the one their soldiers (who previously obviously served in Russian Army) are familiar with.

Here is the article from as far as 2007 - http://www.theguardian.com/world/2007/jul/05/russia.oil - Russia votes to allow private armies for energy giants

They don't wear new speznas gear.

[Shalcker]

They don't wear new speznatz gear.

Why wouldn't they? Do you think we'll deny private armies of our corporations that are lifeblood of our economy newest gear?

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In fact, looking further, i found this:

http://fmso.leavenworth.army.mil/doc...of-Gazprom.pdf

Today, no one knows exactly how many security forces exist in Russia. According to a February 2009 article in the RBK Daily (a Russian daily internet paper devoted to business and investing in Russia), the number of security forces, excluding Russia’s armed forces, exceeds 2.5 million men. There are clearly more security forces than there are soldiers in Russia’s regular army.

[Cybran]

http://www.euractiv.com/global-europ...ct-news-534002

The EU finds itself in the embarrassing situation of having mishandled a deal with Russian President Vladimir Putin on the Ukraine’s landmark Association Agreement, and the new Kyiv government is furious, EurActiv has found.

At their summit held yesterday (6 March), EU leaders decided to sign “the political chapters” of the Association Agreement (AA) with Ukraine “soon”, before the Ukrainian Presidential elections scheduled on 25 May.

But the fate of the signature of the AA itself hangs in doubt, because EU leaders had promised Russian President Putin to overcome “different interpretations and misunderstandings” on this pact, EurActiv has learned.

As Russian Ambassador to the EU Vladimir Chizov recently told EurActiv, Moscow believes that a pro-Russian majority in the country has a chance of winning the 25 May elections. An eventual pro-Russia majority in Ukraine could scrap the AA altogether, or more realistically, call a referendum on its signature, the result of which a pro-Russia government could easily manipulate.

The EU leaders know that the new unelected opposition government in Kiyv is fragmented and unlikely to win the 25 election. Now with the Association Agreement blocked by Putin their chances will be even slimmer.

The official EU position has always been that EU-Ukraine association is a bilateral issue. But Putin, apparently, has played his summit cards better, if he has effectively been able to keep the EU-Ukraine AA hostage to a working group that could never meet. According to information obtained by EurActiv, the new Ukrainian government is enraged by the situation.

While people are freaking out about the soldiers in Crimean Russia is winning the whole of Ukraine.