Putin puts troops in western Russia on alert in drill

[Keeponrage]

No, they weren't EU observers. They were observers, who are citizens of EU. They do not represent EU in any way.

These people are worthy of being in EU Parliament, but still they are not worthy to believe their own eyes and judge on how referendum was held? I never said they represent EU. EU hasn't bothered to send their representatives at all. So the very best we have is the opinion from these guys from EU.

[Ravenblade]

Of course. EU wasn't arsed to send their representatives, thats why these people made a trip on their own. Still, there are people from EU Parliament who attended referendum and confirmed that it was held right.

Yeah, because the EU parliament counted on the OECD observers who were not invited those who got invitations had a dubious background, I know some hardcore stalinists from out Leftist party were invited too, as "neutral and totally unbiased" observers.

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Why should the opinion of a guy who doesn't have a clue about Russian politics, views or way of life be considered? Not to mention the tensions Russia have with its' bordering countries and people.

People who understand these issues know that "a middle ground dancing in circles holding hands" solution is not possible.

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No, they weren't EU observers. They were observers, who are citizens of EU. They do not represent EU in any way.

What a silly question and absurd suppositions you have no way of knowing.
Do you agree with the view expressed by Gabriel?

[Puupi]

These people are worthy of being in EU Parliament, but still they are not worthy to believe their own eyes and judge on how referendum was held? I never said they represent EU. EU hasn't bothered to send their representatives at all. So the very best we have is the opinion from these guys from EU.

Why should EU "bother" to send representatives to illegal referendum?

Worthy of being in EU parliament? The amount of "worthy" required is being a citizen of an EU country and getting votes.


There were lots of people from the EU there, but none of them represent the EU. Whatever they say is just their personal opinion.

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What a silly question and absurd suppositions you have no way of knowing.
Do you agree with the view expressed by Gabriel?

There is some truth to it, but no I don't wholeheartedly agree.

I disagree with your view though.

After more than 700 pages of this thread, I think you would have even hinted at showing some kind of understanding and knowledge on Russia-related matters.

Unless you are just acting ignorant.

[Keeponrage]

Yeah, because the EU parliament counted on the OECD observers who were not invited those who got invitations had a dubious background, I know some hardcore stalinists from out Leftist party were invited too, as "neutral and totally unbiased" observers.

Everyone was invited. But only these with so-called dubious background cared to attend.

[Shalcker]

Yeah, because the EU parliament counted on the OECD observers who were not invited those who got invitations had a dubious background, I know some hardcore stalinists from out Leftist party were invited too, as "neutral and totally unbiased" observers.

They were invited; they refused to attend.

See http://www.osce.org/cio/116313

The Chair also ruled out the possibility of an OSCE observation of the planned referendum of March 16 as the basic criteria for a decision in a constitutional framework was not met. Furthermore, an invitation by the participating State concerned would be a precondition to any observation activity in this regard.

[Bakis]

Of course. EU wasn't arsed to send their representatives, thats why these people made a trip on their own. Still, there are people from EU Parliament who attended referendum and confirmed that it was held right.

Who, where where they, how long where they present?
You do understand your claim need to be backed up.

[Puupi]

Everyone was invited. But only these with so-called dubious background cared to attend.

"Everyone"?

You know who were invited from Finland? Russians who had a Finnish passport as well. Oh and Johan Bäckman who is a stalinist lunatic.

[Bakis]

Also funny that the UN report mention reports of vote rigging specifically.

In Crimea, where a referendum on secession from Ukraine was held on March 16, there were "credible allegations" of harassment, arbitrary arrest and torture targeting activists and journalists who did not support the referendum.

It was "widely assessed" that Russian speakers had not been subject to threats, the report said.

U.N. officials had received "many accounts of vote rigging" in connection with the poll, it added.

[Keeponrage]

Why should EU "bother" to send representatives to illegal referendum?

In order to observe that at least procedure is held right.

And what you mean illegal? Who decides? Ukranian constitution? Well, it could, but it was thrown away by people managing this coup.
People of Crimea wanted to held this referendum and they did it - that's a democracy.

Worthy of being in EU parliament? The amount of "worthy" required is being a citizen of an EU country and getting votes.
There were lots of people from the EU there, but none of them represent the EU. Whatever they say is just their personal opinion.

Ofc, that's their opinion. I never said that EU acknowledged this referendum. I just said that observers from EU Parliament (cause they observed referendum and they are from EU Parliament) witnessed it was held right.

[Bakis]

In order to observe that at least procedure is held right.

And what you mean illegal? Who decides? Ukranian constitution? Well, it could, but it was thrown away by people managing this coup.
People of Crimea wanted to held this referendum and they did it - that's a democracy.

[QUOTEWorthy of being in EU parliament? The amount of "worthy" required is being a citizen of an EU country and getting votes.
There were lots of people from the EU there, but none of them represent the EU. Whatever they say is just their personal opinion.

Probably the part of foreign armed forces on the soil, I know Russia never been good at the democracy thing but usually elections under gun point is not a good start even by russian standards.

[Rukentuts]

People of Crimea wanted to held this referendum and they did it - that's a democracy.

We're well familiar with post-USSR Russia's definition of "democracy" at this point.

[Keeponrage]

"Everyone"?

You know who were invited from Finland? Russians who had a Finnish passport as well. Oh and Johan Bäckman who is a stalinist lunatic.

He was a one who actually got arsed to attend. It doesn't mean that he was the only one that was invited.

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It's extreme of me to say that if Russia invades Baltic NATO and EU countries, it would be in the whole world's best interest to dismantle the corrupt Russian system and make sure that Russia will never be a threat to anyone again.

As long as the West doesn't go for a Morgenthau-like plan...

[Puupi]

http://areena.yle.fi/tv/2166870

Did you see his performance in the tv show yesterday? I didn't expect anything less from him.

No, I didn't see it. Didn't know that kind of show was airing. Probably going to check it later from internet.

[Keeponrage]

Also funny that the UN report mention reports of vote rigging specifically.

and still they haven't proved a single act of vote rigging, threats, harrassment and arrest.

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Probably the part of foreign armed forces on the soil, I know Russia never been good at the democracy thing but usually elections under gun point is not a good start even by russian standards.

Referendum under gun point wasn't proved.

[Bakis]

He was a one who actually got arsed to attend. It doesn't mean that he was the only one that was invited.

EU didnt repsent it cos we consider the referendum illegal so much we can agree on.
Having a bunch of yay-sayers doesnt mean shit though, I rather trust the UN reports than puppet dolls who as of yet you still havent even proved where part of actually checking that things went well.

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Why should EU "bother" to send representatives to illegal referendum?

Worthy of being in EU parliament? The amount of "worthy" required is being a citizen of an EU country and getting votes.


There were lots of people from the EU there, but none of them represent the EU. Whatever they say is just their personal opinion.

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There is some truth to it, but no I don't wholeheartedly agree.

I disagree with your view though.

After more than 700 pages of this thread, I think you would have even hinted at showing some kind of understanding and knowledge on Russia-related matters.

Unless you are just acting ignorant.

This is pretty arrogant for you to say.
Is this just a polite way of saying "agree with me or you're ignorant about the matter"?

[Keeponrage]

We're well familiar with post-USSR Russia's definition of "democracy" at this point.

It is the same as in vocabulary

[Rukentuts]

It is the same as in vocabulary

Yeah no. Russia's version is allowing an ultranationalist autocrat to shit on its constitution and kill dissidents because omg shirtless pics.