Not to mention (for like 100th time) that trees and bodies of the dead were cutted/buried pretty fast by the new government, despite that Russia and EU demand actual investigation.
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I am sure they want to, but their soldiers are smarter than that. This is why the junta in Kiev is asking for help from NATO and UN to fight their own citizen. This is why the head of the CIA was in Kiev last Sunday. One can only guess what kind of mess they are planing.But the overwhelming majority of some 18,800 service personnel who the Ukrainian defence ministry says stuck out the month-long siege of their bases in Crimea are now ignoring orders - unswayed by purse-strapped Kiev's lacklustre offer to uproot their families and move them to the mainland.
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Also please tell me, why the fuck would the new government order killings on people who are supporting them?
Why doesn't it?
a) Concerted, targeted sanctions will do far more damage to Moscow than giving them a bloody nose and removing their access to the Black Sea / Crimean Peninsula. Sanctions also don't require you to risk the lives of your soldiers and potentially spark a wider conflict with the world's second nuclear superpower.
b) Absolutely no-one wants to see a full-scale theater conflict. Not Washington, not Moscow, not Beijing, no-one.
c) It would be very hard to do. Not impossible, certainly within the capabilities of the US military. But American soldiers would die - probably hundreds, maybe thousands.
d) Ukraine is not a part of NATO, and the Alliance is under no obligation to defend it.
So, unless Moscow decides that it wants to go all the way to Kiev, the chances of Uncle Sam pulling on his boxing gloves are slim to non-existent.
Killing unarmed civilians or bombing does not count as combat experience. Btw, have you watched the movie Jarhead? it is great!National Guard brigades do combat tours to Afghanistan and did them for Iraq. The weekend warrior thing went away over a decade ago.
Meanwhile let Spetsnaz train on Blackwater.
If you want to get to know Skroesec better, this is a good sum up of his dogma:http://cnnpressroom.blogs.cnn.com/20...miscalculated/ No need to comment.
And for your entertainment: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WzbWXhveaM 30 unarmed civilians and a yellow LADA vs ukrainian T-80. Yes, that is another surrender.
USSR was a multi-national country, all accusations of fascism are laughable.
So you want to "show more than one-side"? You may want to consider your platform. This is not an effective one for what you want. You will find no unconverted here. I'm sure you can picture in your head exactly what Team NATO and Team Russia will say if Russian tanks roll into the rest of Ukraine. And simultaneously, I'm sure you can envision what they will say if Russia decides to stand down and stop acting completely nuts. That is what this thread is.
Believe me, I'm all for talking to a tough audience. But let's be real. Most Europeans, even when they are pissed at the US for one thing or another, legitimately want Russia as far away from them as humanely possible. Americans? Well messing with Russia and rallying the rest around our common banner is our bread and butter, so this is like slipping on a comfortable pair of pants. Russians? Well, Vladmir Putin is hawking upon them the most bullshit sense of pride that one could ever conjour up... but it's still pride they haven't felt in many years, so their behavior is understandable. This is not the stage you're looking for.
Who would benefit from forcibly removing the protesters? Yanukovich
Who Would benefit from creating violent chaos? Who says that they reserve all the rights to defend their ethnic citizens from violence even outside their own borders? Who invaded and annexed Crimea on the basis of protecting ethnic Russians from violent riots? Who is currently massing military forces on the Ukrainian border, ready to invade and annex the rest of eastern Ukraine since they couldn't pressure the Ukrainian government to federalize the country so that the new states could join Russia out of their on "free will"?