1. #13661
    Quote Originally Posted by Skroesec View Post
    National Guard brigades do combat tours to Afghanistan and did them for Iraq. The weekend warrior thing went away over a decade ago.


    Well, one reason would be many of these countries fought along side US troops in the NATO mission to Afghanistan (ISAF) and many of them contributed to Multinational Force - Iraq, even though it was not a NATO operation (rather, it was a Coalition / UN one).
    So what, yeah, they contributed. But who were the bulk of NATO soldiers there(I mean Jugoslavia for instance)? Proud americans like yourself? Nah, there were baltic people.



    What the hell? Are you engaging in some weird "anti-balticism" or something? I just had to make up a word right here to describe something so weird.


    Because Russia invaded, subjugated and dominated them for decades. Estonia is an independent nation, and they had until a couple of years ago, some monuments to Vladmir Lenin lying around. A foreigner. A Russian. Like what the hell? And then Estonia gets electronically assaulted, by Russia, for having the gumption to throw down these monuments to a foreign leader whose successor conquered them?

    They're entirely right to resent Russia. They are entirely in the right. Russia did that itself.
    You seem to forget we have freed them from facists. And do you really claim that no country should have statues to prominent foreigners? Lol.

    I'm calling bullshit on this and I think you made it up on the spot for some reason. I don't know why. It's not a fact... it doesn't have meaning... if it just exists in your head.
    And I'm calling bulshit on what you wrote, I don't know why, but clearly you seem to be obsessed with idea of US superiority.
    Banned.

  2. #13662
    Quote Originally Posted by Skroesec View Post
    I'm not a war monger. I don't want us to fight anyone. But at the same time, I'm a strong believer in the idea that the safest way to be secure in a law of jungle that is the international community is to be the strongest, smartest one in the room and amass as much power as possible at the expense of the competition. I make no apologizes about that. I fundamentally do not care what happens to Russia. If Putin turns it into North Korea and it's people spend the next twenty years getting reacquainted with the bread line, I do not care. If Putin turns it into some kind of Russian Orthodox Saudi Arabia, I do not care. If a black hole passed through the earth and sucked Russia into it, I would not care. So long as Russia's bad policies effect only Russians, I do not care.

    The problem is, right now, it's effecting our friends, people who want to be friends with us, and our interests. And that I do care about, very, very much. Power is not to be shared on terms we do not set.
    So the US is the only country that can set terms?

    Quote Originally Posted by Skroesec View Post
    The US Military is not for show. It's for use. You may not understand that because in Russia, when Vladmir Putin rolls the latest in Russian hardware down Red Square what he is actually saying is "This is the Russian state. It is strong. I am the man who made the state strong, and thus Russia. I can protect you." By contrast, when was the last time the US Military put on a parade in the Russian, or hell, even the Bastille Day, style... where we roll a bunch of tanks, combat troops, some ICBMs, a brigade, and stuff like that, down Pennsylvania avenue in Washington DC or Fifth Avenue in New York, for some inane display of military might? When was the last time we've engaged in such an infantile display of state power? I don't think it's ever been done. I think the closest we get is "Welcome home" Parades of unarmed troops on foot that happen in small towns and big cities from time to time and flying the Blue Angels over the Superbowl or something. I imagine if the President of the United States asked for a flyover of 4 B-2s in formation during his inaugural parade, a bunch of Air Force generals would resign in protest and Congress would launch an investigation.

    Americans don't do crap like that. We're cut from a different cloth. Hell if we really wanted to "wave our dicks around", as you basically put it, we'd build more, cheaper Nimitz Class carriers and float 20 of them around for some reason, rather than buy Ford Class carriers at a slower rate, at twice the cost, because they promise to be far more capable when actually used.
    It's not about the amount, but I guess I am talking to the wrong person. You seem only to understand the word "force" (as in power).

    Quote Originally Posted by Skroesec View Post
    Our armed forces are very far from bloated by the way. If anything, they were too small for most of the Iraq / Afghan War, "right sized" for the last five or six years, and now a little too big and "Army/Marines" heavy when they need to be Navy/Air Force heavy for the problem of China. We cant afford them to be bloated because unlike a low cost one year conscript a contracted US service member is a rather expensive employee to have. Our massive military budget? Mostly personnel and maintenance costs.

    As for being "World Police"... well... we did build the modern world order. And the fact is, we're the most secure superpower in history. We have no existential threats, dozens of military allies, most of them among the most militarily powerful and richest nations in the world. We have friendly neighbors to the north and south, and major advantages in technology and experience. That's the dirty little secret of US foreign policy since 1992. We became the "World Police" when having to be the vanguard against... I don't know... the likes of the USSR... passed into history. After all, it was the free world that won the Cold War.
    The US did NOT build the modern world order. They CHANGED it to suite their needs. They did NOT need to become the "World Police", they happily took that role because of economic interests. Show me what the US has done or is doing in Africa, except in those regions where there is an economic advantage to gain. There are still wars raging, for example in Burundi...
    Any "war" the US has been in the last 50 years or so were purely for economic reasons, mainly oil.

  3. #13663
    Quote Originally Posted by Skulkgra View Post
    You seem to forget we have freed them from facists. And do you really claim that no country should have statues to prominent foreigners? Lol.
    Just wondering, you 'freed' the Balkans from fascists, and installed your own fascists, and think this is something to crow about instead of a mistake that those peoples are rightly angry at you for?
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    Quote Originally Posted by obdigore View Post
    So if the states get together and work with the Legislative Branch to write an amendment to the federal constitution, you think the Judiciary (SCOTUS) could strike it down for being 'unconstitutional'?
    Uh...yes. Absolutely.

  4. #13664
    Quote Originally Posted by Puupi View Post
    I'm beginning to think Djalil and TooMuch are siblings. Both live in the anonymityland, are anti-US, pro-Russian and argue just for the sake of argument.
    No thank you. I'm just pro-Europe.

  5. #13665
    Quote Originally Posted by Skroesec View Post
    The US Military is not for show. It's for use. You may not understand that because in Russia, when Vladmir Putin rolls the latest in Russian hardware down Red Square what he is actually saying is "This is the Russian state. It is strong. I am the man who made the state strong, and thus Russia. I can protect you." By contrast, when was the last time the US Military put on a parade in the Russian, or hell, even the Bastille Day, style... where we roll a bunch of tanks, combat troops, some ICBMs, a brigade, and stuff like that, down Pennsylvania avenue in Washington DC or Fifth Avenue in New York, for some inane display of military might? When was the last time we've engaged in such an infantile display of state power? I don't think it's ever been done. I think the closest we get is "Welcome home" Parades of unarmed troops on foot that happen in small towns and big cities from time to time and flying the Blue Angels over the Superbowl or something. I imagine if the President of the United States asked for a flyover of 4 B-2s in formation during his inaugural parade, a bunch of Air Force generals would resign in protest and Congress would launch an investigation.

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    When did you win a war on nazism to be so proud of your military as to throw parade? And you misunderstand, it's not a parade to demonstrate military might, but a parade in honour of people who gave their lifes for our Motherland.
    Banned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by atsawin26 View Post
    Well, considering the nigh-Godlike abilities of the American military as some posters here seem to think of it, I'm sure the US could go in militarily, clean up the Russian presence in Crimea and eastern Ukraine, make sure the Russians are never in a position to do so again, and head home with minimal casualties, right?

    I mean, it's the giant and the gnat, David and Goliath, right?

    So...why doesn't the US do it and just be done with the situation instead of sniveling internationally and writing angrily-worded letters?
    There's a risk of nuclear war if that happens, not to mention that the EU's economy is dependant on Russia. That's why there hasn't been any major economic sanctions either.
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  7. #13667
    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post
    Excuse me? What the fuck were the snipers in Maidan then?

    Inb4:CIA
    http://edition.cnn.com/2014/03/05/wo...dio-recording/

    Not to mention (for like 100th time) that trees and bodies of the dead were cutted/buried pretty fast by the new government, despite that Russia and EU demand actual investigation.
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  8. #13668
    Quote Originally Posted by Haven View Post
    The new government will just shoot anyone who disagrees.
    http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/...A3710L20140408

    But the overwhelming majority of some 18,800 service personnel who the Ukrainian defence ministry says stuck out the month-long siege of their bases in Crimea are now ignoring orders - unswayed by purse-strapped Kiev's lacklustre offer to uproot their families and move them to the mainland.
    I am sure they want to, but their soldiers are smarter than that. This is why the junta in Kiev is asking for help from NATO and UN to fight their own citizen. This is why the head of the CIA was in Kiev last Sunday. One can only guess what kind of mess they are planing.
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  9. #13669
    Quote Originally Posted by obdigore View Post
    Just wondering, you 'freed' the Balkans from fascists, and installed your own fascists, and think this is something to crow about instead of a mistake that those peoples are rightly angry at you for?
    We were not fascists and "installed" none.
    Plus not only did we free Balkans alone, but I'd say whole world from that scourge.
    Banned.

  10. #13670
    Quote Originally Posted by Skulkgra View Post
    When did you win a war on nazism to be so proud of your military as to throw parade? And you misunderstand, it's not a parade to demonstrate military might, but a parade in honour of people who gave their lifes for our Motherland.
    For most Americans they believe they single handedly won the war while the British and Russians just sat around drinking or bumping into things due to their own incompetence. Don't you know? We'd all be speaking German now if not for America!

    /rollseyes

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skulkgra View Post
    We were not fascists and "installed" none.
    Stalin is most definitely among the biggest fascists in history.
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  12. #13672
    Quote Originally Posted by atsawin26 View Post
    For most Americans they believe they single handedly won the war while the British and Russians just sat around drinking or bumping into things due to their own incompetence. Don't you know? We'd all be speaking German now if not for America!

    /rollseyes
    Ofcourse, because it is typical for western media to downplay the victory of USSR in WWII. From that propaganda, people like Skroesek are born, "proud eagles", no less.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trollskalden View Post
    Stalin is most definitely among the biggest fascists in history.
    That is propaganda. He was a dictator, he killed many people, but his victims are .. overvictimized, and the number of people died from repressions is greatly overrated, thanks to liars like Solzhenitsyn.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skulkgra View Post
    That is propaganda. He was a dictator, he killed many people, but his victims are .. overvictimized, and the number of people died from repressions is greatly overrated, thanks to liars like Solzhenitsyn.
    So the people who got executed because they did not agree with the regime are now overvictimized?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OmniSkribe View Post
    You inability to comprehend history, words and their meaning is astonishing.
    Petty insults from a petty person.
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  14. #13674
    Quote Originally Posted by Skulkgra View Post
    We were not fascists and "installed" none.
    Plus not only did we free Balkans alone, but I'd say whole world from that scourge.
    Wait wait wait. Are you trying to suggest that Stalinism doesn't include a huge dose of fascism? Or that the USSR wasn't an extremely fascist government up until close to the end?
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    Quote Originally Posted by obdigore View Post
    So if the states get together and work with the Legislative Branch to write an amendment to the federal constitution, you think the Judiciary (SCOTUS) could strike it down for being 'unconstitutional'?
    Uh...yes. Absolutely.

  15. #13675
    Quote Originally Posted by OmniSkribe View Post
    http://edition.cnn.com/2014/03/05/wo...dio-recording/

    Not to mention (for like 100th time) that trees and bodies of the dead were cutted/buried pretty fast by the new government, despite that Russia and EU demand actual investigation.
    So you have leaked phone call from two people speaking about third person who thinks that the shooters might be connected to the new intern government, and then the first 2 people agreeing that maybe they should investigate it? This is on the same level of proof as lunatics here yelling about CIA and then you quoting them.

    Also please tell me, why the fuck would the new government order killings on people who are supporting them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post
    Excuse me? What the fuck were the snipers in Maidan then?
    Provokers. They did their job, raised the hysteria so that the crowd was ready to blame anyone, and instigators made sure the blame lay where it was needed. But this time, it's government officially putting down resistance by lethal force. And they have to hire Greystone for that because local police doesn't want to get their hands this dirty. European idylle.
    Quote Originally Posted by Skulkgra View Post
    When did you win a war on nazism to be so proud of your military as to throw parade? And you misunderstand, it's not a parade to demonstrate military might, but a parade in honour of people who gave their lifes for our Motherland.
    Shh, don't tell him that USSR won WW2 on 9th of May and that we celebrate this day ever since, or we'll get a gazillion pages of posts about how it was actuallly an elite squad of American Nazi-hunters that assassinated Hitler and won the war.
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    Metzenphrenia. As defined in the DSM: "To be so badly written, that it drives the character into insanity." It's symptoms are similar to schizophrenia but even crazier.
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  17. #13677
    Quote Originally Posted by atsawin26 View Post
    Well, considering the nigh-Godlike abilities of the American military as some posters here seem to think of it, I'm sure the US could go in militarily, clean up the Russian presence in Crimea and eastern Ukraine, make sure the Russians are never in a position to do so again, and head home with minimal casualties, right?

    I mean, it's the giant and the gnat, David and Goliath, right?

    So...why doesn't the US do it and just be done with the situation instead of sniveling internationally and writing angrily-worded letters?
    Yes, if the United States wanted to, it could remove Russian military assets from Crimea.

    Why doesn't it?

    Because:

    a) Concerted, targeted sanctions will do far more damage to Moscow than giving them a bloody nose and removing their access to the Black Sea / Crimean Peninsula. Sanctions also don't require you to risk the lives of your soldiers and potentially spark a wider conflict with the world's second nuclear superpower.

    b) Absolutely no-one wants to see a full-scale theater conflict. Not Washington, not Moscow, not Beijing, no-one.

    c) It would be very hard to do. Not impossible, certainly within the capabilities of the US military. But American soldiers would die - probably hundreds, maybe thousands.

    d) Ukraine is not a part of NATO, and the Alliance is under no obligation to defend it.

    So, unless Moscow decides that it wants to go all the way to Kiev, the chances of Uncle Sam pulling on his boxing gloves are slim to non-existent.

  18. #13678
    National Guard brigades do combat tours to Afghanistan and did them for Iraq. The weekend warrior thing went away over a decade ago.
    Killing unarmed civilians or bombing does not count as combat experience. Btw, have you watched the movie Jarhead? it is great!
    Meanwhile let Spetsnaz train on Blackwater.

    If you want to get to know Skroesec better, this is a good sum up of his dogma:http://cnnpressroom.blogs.cnn.com/20...miscalculated/ No need to comment.

    And for your entertainment: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WzbWXhveaM 30 unarmed civilians and a yellow LADA vs ukrainian T-80. Yes, that is another surrender.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post
    So you have leaked phone call from two people speaking about third person who thinks that the shooters might be connected to the new intern government, and then the first 2 people agreeing that maybe they should investigate it? This is on the same level of proof as lunatics here yelling about CIA and then you quoting them.

    Also please tell me, why the fuck would the new government order killings on people who are supporting them?
    What's the lives of a couple of random hamsters worth? The hysteria and provocation are much more meaningful than two additional throats shouting slogans. And it's a good excuse to lay the blame on the opponents.
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  20. #13680
    Quote Originally Posted by Trollskalden View Post
    So the people who got executed because they did not agree with the regime are now overvictimized?

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    Petty insults from a petty person.
    You seem to swap the meanings of "not agreeing with the regime" and "doing everything to undermine it". It was alright not to agree with the regime, and some lived happily not agreeing with it.

    USSR was a multi-national country, all accusations of fascism are laughable.
    Banned.

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